Well, Edge wound up with 11 world titles, so, whether you liked the idea or not, I do think WWE was doing more than just building him up to be fed to those guys.
Honestly, he was probably the top heel in the company for the latter half of the decade.
But he was a god awful singles babyface.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:46 PM
QUOTE(jaedmc @ Sep 7 2010, 07:49 PM) 
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:17 PM
I'm actually not sure I agree with that. Edge's longest WWE Title reign was his second - a whopping 76 days (CM Punk is 147 days and counting currently, Miz held for 160, JBL for 280 albeit on Smackdown). And he *never* held the World or WWE Title on RAW after that. He had a good run against the Undertaker - with Vicki drawing a lot of the heat (as Lita drew a lot of the heat during his first two reigns). But pretty much, he was pretty much there to be fed to the top guys and a transitional champion on the B-show. His epic career is mostly a massive spin job. If you ignore the 100 days farewell run, CM Punk will almost certainly pass Edge for total World/WWE Title reign days in the next few months - and both he and The Miz have easily already passed him for WWE Title days.
I think it was Alvarez who said that if you can't remember who the champion is, that means it's Edge. I would be inclined to name Orton as the slightly bigger heel of the years 2005-9 - given he was the last guy that people really thought might beat Taker at Mania, the guy who said that Eddie was in hell and the guy who punted Vince in the head. Orton was 'the guy' in a way that Edge never was, and he didn't rely on women to draw heat.
Truthfully Edge was originally a babyface project - the crowd turned on him and so they turned him heel, probably hoping that the crowd would cheer for him again eventually. Then the Lita thing blew up, and he was clearly staying a heel for the foreseeable and they worked with that. But a year later he was doing jobs for Flair and Piper, and he was transferred to the B show more or less permanently soon after that.
I think it was Alvarez who said that if you can't remember who the champion is, that means it's Edge. I would be inclined to name Orton as the slightly bigger heel of the years 2005-9 - given he was the last guy that people really thought might beat Taker at Mania, the guy who said that Eddie was in hell and the guy who punted Vince in the head. Orton was 'the guy' in a way that Edge never was, and he didn't rely on women to draw heat.
Truthfully Edge was originally a babyface project - the crowd turned on him and so they turned him heel, probably hoping that the crowd would cheer for him again eventually. Then the Lita thing blew up, and he was clearly staying a heel for the foreseeable and they worked with that. But a year later he was doing jobs for Flair and Piper, and he was transferred to the B show more or less permanently soon after that.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:39 AM
Cool surfer Edge was super over as a babyface. Returning from a neck injury intense babyface #4 in 2004 Edge sucked.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:49 AM
pfft. You people should be going onto youtube and watching that Natural Disasters vs Beverly Brothers match instead of arguing about Edge.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:54 AM
Most of the title reigns aren't memorable anymore. It's not just Edge. Does anyone remember Orton's last reign? I don't. What about the two times Sheamus was WWE Champion? Yeah - Believe it or not this isn't his first world title. It's his third!
I'll remember Henry's reign. I'll remember Bryan's reign. I remember Cena's reign in 2007 quite well. But most are short and uneventful.
I'll remember Henry's reign. I'll remember Bryan's reign. I remember Cena's reign in 2007 quite well. But most are short and uneventful.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:47 AM
Niners82, on Apr 15 2012, 06:54 PM, said:
Most of the title reigns aren't memorable anymore. It's not just Edge. Does anyone remember Orton's last reign? I don't. What about the two times Sheamus was WWE Champion? Yeah - Believe it or not this isn't his first world title. It's his third!
I'll remember Henry's reign. I'll remember Bryan's reign. I remember Cena's reign in 2007 quite well. But most are short and uneventful.
I'll remember Henry's reign. I'll remember Bryan's reign. I remember Cena's reign in 2007 quite well. But most are short and uneventful.
Guess you remember everything about Henry's run except who he beat for the title. ;)
Edge got more out of the MITB briefcases than he did the titles. Really, his first MITB case was probably worth more to his career than all 11 title runs combined.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:01 AM
Ha. Ok, so I do remember something about Orton's reign.. how it ended. That was the best part of it.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:08 AM
Edge being any good as a face was directly linked to whether he still had his Rob Zombie music. When he lost that, it all went to hell
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:56 AM
Evil Antler God, on Apr 15 2012, 08:08 PM, said:
Edge being any good as a face was directly linked to whether he still had his Rob Zombie music. When he lost that, it all went to hell
IMPOSSIBRU to argue with, since his best run had Zombie as his music.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:23 AM
I remember Sheamus' WWE Title wins; the first one was pretty interesting and fresh, but he lost it at Elimination Chamber which is why you may have forgotten it. The Jesse Ventura Breakthrough Battle Royal segment where he wins the title shot and Jesse turn on Cena was great though.
Second one was kind of a by-product of the Nexus being the main storyline, so it's forgettable - plus he won and lost the title in multimans.
The Rob Zombie music was definitely a big part of Edge's appeal as 'The Future of Smackdown'. I'm pretty sure he was originally supposed to go to RAW to feud with HHH - though I don't think HHH was ever that keen (and later apparently wanted Edge to be fired for the affair with Lita). If they'd had put him with JBL on Smackdown (and he hadn't porked Lita), then maybe he would have still worked out as a babyface. But he got lost in the shuffle and things went a different way.
Second one was kind of a by-product of the Nexus being the main storyline, so it's forgettable - plus he won and lost the title in multimans.
The Rob Zombie music was definitely a big part of Edge's appeal as 'The Future of Smackdown'. I'm pretty sure he was originally supposed to go to RAW to feud with HHH - though I don't think HHH was ever that keen (and later apparently wanted Edge to be fired for the affair with Lita). If they'd had put him with JBL on Smackdown (and he hadn't porked Lita), then maybe he would have still worked out as a babyface. But he got lost in the shuffle and things went a different way.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:14 AM
I still maintain that actually winning the title is what killed Edge.
The whole appeal of his character, to me, was how badly he was going to get screwed/fuck up and have to start all over again. Once he cashed in a NYR (as jaw dropping as it was) the hook was lost and he became another douchebag heel.
I can understand why people liked him but he was never more interesting than during his "paranoid/you're all out to get me" phase after coming back from injury.
The whole appeal of his character, to me, was how badly he was going to get screwed/fuck up and have to start all over again. Once he cashed in a NYR (as jaw dropping as it was) the hook was lost and he became another douchebag heel.
I can understand why people liked him but he was never more interesting than during his "paranoid/you're all out to get me" phase after coming back from injury.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:17 AM
I don't know, that first title run felt so incredibly fresh to me. The whole show felt new and different with him on top... So they took the belt off him 3 weeks later.
I don't think he was ever that interesting again, although there is a lot of stuff he did after that I enjoyed.
I don't think he was ever that interesting again, although there is a lot of stuff he did after that I enjoyed.
QUOTE(jaedmc @ Sep 7 2010, 07:49 PM)
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:39 PM
Not to open up old wounds or anything, but I re-watched HHH/Shawn yesterday, and I have to say it was pretty good. I guess your opinion of it will depend entirely on how you feel about the "WWE epic" style, since this match was mostly a textbook example of that. I can't imagine hating this, but liking either HHH/Taker Mania match, or the first Taker/Michaels Mania match.
The first 2/3 of the match were really good with Shawn mixing hate with a "Hey, I've still got the moves" attitude during his first flurry. Hunter's back work was pretty good too. I liked how he just started simple with a backbreaker that still got a huge reaction, then escalated from there. I could see not liking the last third which was just an HBK superman comeback with some high spots thrown in, but I don't know what else they were supposed to do. A low-key ending with HHH winning or Shawn skipping straight to the flash pin might have been "smarter" but definitely less satisfying for the story and the live crowd. Given that was the route they pretty much had to take, I think it was executed well enough. The ladder and table spots might look silly, but those are and always have been hate spots in WWE, so they fit perfectly. HHH gives Shawn a lot for the payoff. I think using the term "flash pin" to describe the finish is a bit disingenuous here since Michaels beat the shit out of HHH for nearly 10 minutes, and all HHH could muster at the end was a desperation counter. It wasn't so much a flash pin to give the face a cheap win, as much as it was just a quick little bait and switch during the finishing run. It didn't matter if Shawn hit the SCM there or not, HHH was dead anyway. The only problem I thought was HHH got up way too fast for the post-match beatdown.
The first 2/3 of the match were really good with Shawn mixing hate with a "Hey, I've still got the moves" attitude during his first flurry. Hunter's back work was pretty good too. I liked how he just started simple with a backbreaker that still got a huge reaction, then escalated from there. I could see not liking the last third which was just an HBK superman comeback with some high spots thrown in, but I don't know what else they were supposed to do. A low-key ending with HHH winning or Shawn skipping straight to the flash pin might have been "smarter" but definitely less satisfying for the story and the live crowd. Given that was the route they pretty much had to take, I think it was executed well enough. The ladder and table spots might look silly, but those are and always have been hate spots in WWE, so they fit perfectly. HHH gives Shawn a lot for the payoff. I think using the term "flash pin" to describe the finish is a bit disingenuous here since Michaels beat the shit out of HHH for nearly 10 minutes, and all HHH could muster at the end was a desperation counter. It wasn't so much a flash pin to give the face a cheap win, as much as it was just a quick little bait and switch during the finishing run. It didn't matter if Shawn hit the SCM there or not, HHH was dead anyway. The only problem I thought was HHH got up way too fast for the post-match beatdown.
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By comparison, WWE.com ranks their top 25 Summerslam matches of all time:
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:26 AM
So, I'm working my way through the Summerslams, and it's insane how much Bret is the MVP of the show. I'm on '95 now, and thus far, he's had the best match at '88, '90, '91, '92, and '94 without debate, probably the best at '93, and a really close second best at '89.
I'm pretty sure Shawn/Razor is going to still be better than Bret/Yankem though.
I'm pretty sure Shawn/Razor is going to still be better than Bret/Yankem though.
QUOTE(jaedmc @ Sep 7 2010, 07:49 PM)
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
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What'd you think of Natural Disasters vs Beverly Brothers?
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How does the WWE list miss Austin vs Angle? WTF?
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:21 PM
I do remember Disasters-Beverlys being surprisingly good...but it tends to get lost in the shuffle of a card that was pretty strong overall(other than maybe Nailz-Virgil). Even Taker-Kamala was fine for what it was.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:55 PM
Matt D, on 09 May 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:
What'd you think of Natural Disasters vs Beverly Brothers?
Perfectly competent tag formula stuff. It didn't jump out at me as being anything special, but it wasn't bad at all.
QUOTE(jaedmc @ Sep 7 2010, 07:49 PM)
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:10 AM
Random comment: X-Pac/Kane vs. Big Show/Undertaker (which Yo-Yo had at #50) is really good, way better than I expected. Seeing Undertaker sell Waltman's offense is a bit strange, but also really cool.
QUOTE(jaedmc @ Sep 7 2010, 07:49 PM)
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
Well fuck this place. It took 144 characters or less to kill all the buzz we'd built up in this thread. "We take pro wrestling seriously" sounds like code for Davey Richards vs. Davey Richards in a Davey Richards on a pole match. Inside a Steel Davey Richards.
So, I started a blog....https://farwell3d.wordpress.com/
