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[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

I said not long ago that superplexes should be sold as a more deadly move. 9 times out of 10, they look really brutal. The other 1 time out of 10 both guys roll through and trade counters until the janitor comes and turns the building lights off. That looks brutal too, but in a different way.

[The Victator]

When I was at TNA in August Kid Kash and some other guys did this Tower of Doom superplex that looked brutal. They popped up a minute later and kept doing spots.

[NintendoLogic]

DiggetyDog46, on Jan 10 2012, 07:19 PM, said:

NintendoLogic, on Jan 10 2012, 05:44 PM, said:

Business status:

[   ]Exposed
[   ]Not exposed
[X]Fucking exposed

I hate Richards as much as the next guy (maybe more), but in a world where Chikara runs down the street, that's hardly the most business-exposing thing around.

Davey Richards: less business-exposing than a comedy promotion!

[Overly_Critical_Man]

The Victator, on Jan 10 2012, 09:25 PM, said:

When I was at TNA in August Kid Kash and some other guys did this Tower of Doom superplex that looked brutal. They popped up a minute later and kept doing spots.

That's still a minute longer than Davey Richards sells a superplex.

[JRV]

Davey's matches are like Cena's promos. Davey's promos aren't even that horrible but Cena actually works OK matches. Davey is the posterboy for these fucking meta-workers that exist today. (I like to call them create-a-wrestlers, people who knew all the (superficial) ins & outs of the biz before ever setting foot in a ring and are basically trying to emulate Kawada/Misawa in every match. Just fucking work and don't be so self-conscious.)

First Davey match I saw in a long time was Tokyo Dome 4 Jan, and it's actually kind of entertaining to see him really think about how to add as much high drama to something as possible. Like.. visibly waiting on the apron for the 2 count before he breaks the pin on his partner. Literally starting to slide into the ring, realizing he's too early, then STOPPING HIMSELF. Or just dumb shit like taking out his mouthpiece, kicking a seated opponent in the head, then putting it back in BEFORE MAKING THE PIN. Every single match has these retarded examples of why CAWs suck ass and are like a cancer slowly killing actual pro-wrestling.

[londonalan]

I just watched that Richards vs Edwards match.

Oh my dear god, that was indeed a complete abomination. I don't think the superplex spot even makes the top 20 of what's wrong with that match

[NintendoLogic]

I went back and watched some 2007 Cena today (specifically, vs. Umaga at the Rumble and vs. Orton at Summerslam), and I had forgotten how awesome he was that year. Current Cena is clearly better than Davey, but peak Cena absolutely blows him out of the water.

[Niners82]

Weird. I was watching the 2007 Royal Rumble the other day as well and yeah Cena/Umaga is still insane.

[goodhelmet]

Kronos, on Jan 9 2012, 04:28 PM, said:

NintendoLogic, on Jan 9 2012, 03:13 PM, said:

ultimoDANK, on Jan 9 2012, 04:02 PM, said:

Ok I get it his pacing, structure, and selling suck

That's precisely it. To a lot of the people here, these are non-negotiable necessary conditions to be considered a good worker. Your Benoit hypothesis is never going to be addressed to your satisfaction because it involves proving a negative. It also involves the subconscious, which is inaccessible to the conscious mind by definition.

I think I'm the only one to admit that part of my dislike is tied to Benoit and Billington. But I have seen pretty much everyone else give logical reasons for what they dislike about his work.

Tying your dislike of Richards to Benoit and Billington is perfectly logical.

[Braggs]

Well that flip over the rail into the crowd at full speed was bad ass I dont what anyone says, even Meltzer. He may have done it too much; and how he did it so many times without killing himself or someone in the audience defies law of physics or something. He is discredited for MMA MOVEZ IN WRASSLIN technical strategies in the psychological game and his tendencies to display inadequate traits of past wrestlers not to mention being the posterboy for all the embarassing ROHbots. I mean when did German suplexes and ankle locks become a crime. I voted both equal since they are two very different wrestlers in different situations with both excelling at what they do.

[Dragonzombie85]

Coffey, on Jan 9 2012, 05:47 PM, said:

That is the most dumbest thing ever.

[egyptian]

Coffey, on Jan 10 2012, 01:47 AM, said:

Kawada~!, on Jan 9 2012, 07:21 PM, said:

I voted Richards. Great offense, great timing, great counters, off-the-charts intensity, gets over huge with his audience, works super hard every time out, always delivers in big matches. He's exactly what he should be given his role. Pretty much everything I want in a wrestler.

This GIF makes me as mad at wrestling as I have ever been. I would rather watch Robocop rescue Sting from the Horsemen.

[C. V. Reynolds]

Braggs, on Jan 13 2012, 12:15 AM, said:

I mean when did German suplexes and ankle locks become a crime.

I love the German suplex and I'd like to see more of it in promotions such as WWE and TNA, but I hate the way Benoit and Angle came to use the move. Killed the drama for me when they were treating a move as powerful as a German suplex like it was an armdrag or a hammerlock. I'm not asking for the move to cripple someone or anything, but it should be good for a near-fall every time it is used, or at least, you know, HURT. Using a move repeatedly does not make it better; it devalues the move.

As for the ankle lock, I'm so sick of it. It was great when it meant something, but Kurt Angle ruined it by having everyone and their parents either reverse it, put it on Angle himself, or both, very often not selling the move in the process. Davey Richards is continuing that trend of shitty ankle lock spots. Swagger is doing better with it now, though.

Also, please toss my bid in for that GIF being the dumbest thing ever. I had not seen the match that spot was in. Seeing it makes me think that Richards is even worse than I thought. Those two guys (Richards and Edwards) bring out the worst in each other somehow.

[Nick]

Can't we all just agree that Davey Richards is worse than Hitler?

[MassCarnage]

I opened this thread with the thought of "Aw, c'mon...Davey's not that bad".  I saw him in a tag match live here in Ottawa and thought it was fantastic, actually.  I watched some more stuff and I thought "Well, I can see what they're saying about the no-selling..."

And then I watched the last iPPV.  It was like everything in this thread hit me at once.  That superplex spot was one thing but the DUELING BACKDROP DRIVERS?!  I'll take John Cena, thanks.

[ZenDragon]

I'm not familar with Davey Richards at all so I didn't vote. The Cena character doesn't appeal to me at all as an adult, but I don't mind him in ring hes not one of my favorties (to me his movements come across as slightly robotic or wooden) but it seems that a few years ago he learned the importance of selling (especially how important it is as the top babyface). and I apperciate that. I remeber when he made Khalis offence look compelling a few years ago. And I apperciate that.

[Brand One]

Coffey, on Jan 9 2012, 08:47 PM, said:

Kawada~!, on Jan 9 2012, 07:21 PM, said:

I voted Richards. Great offense, great timing, great counters, off-the-charts intensity, gets over huge with his audience, works super hard every time out, always delivers in big matches. He's exactly what he should be given his role. Pretty much everything I want in a wrestler.

Was Hogan/Warrior from Halloween Havoc 1998 a better match than Richards/Edwards from Final Battle 2011?

[strobogo]

Depends on why you judge a match as bad.  Hogan/Warrior II was terrible for much different reasons than Richards/Edwards was terrible.

[jesseewiak]

Brandon_E, on Jan 13 2012, 06:40 PM, said:

Coffey, on Jan 9 2012, 08:47 PM, said:

Kawada~!, on Jan 9 2012, 07:21 PM, said:

I voted Richards. Great offense, great timing, great counters, off-the-charts intensity, gets over huge with his audience, works super hard every time out, always delivers in big matches. He's exactly what he should be given his role. Pretty much everything I want in a wrestler.

Was Hogan/Warrior from Halloween Havoc 1998 a better match than Richards/Edwards from Final Battle 2011?

Considering people were claiming Stevie Ray was a better worker than Richards, I have no doubt you'll have people claiming that indy match between Kevin Nash and Ricky Morton was a million times better than every Davey Richards match ever.

[jumbojustice]

Coffey, on Jan 9 2012, 06:47 PM, said:

That sequence really should have ended with a third brainbuster on the floor, just for MAXIMUM ABSURDITY! Go big or go home, and all of that.