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[Paul Sosnowski]

I haven't started working on mine yet, I will post them when I do.    How about yours?

[DylanWaco]

If someone posts the full ballot I'll fill it out.

[Paul Sosnowski]

CATEGORY "A" AWARDS (PICK YOUR TOP 3)

1. LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD:

2. MMA MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER:

3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER:

4. MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER:

5. BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW:

6. FEUD OF THE YEAR:

7. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR:

8. MOST IMPROVED:

9. BEST ON INTERVIEWS:

10. MOST CHARISMATIC:

11. BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER:

12. BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD:

13. BEST FLYING WRESTLER:

14. MOST OVERRATED:

15. MOST UNDERRATED:

16. PROMOTION OF THE YEAR:

17. BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW:

18. PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR:

19. MMA MATCH OF THE YEAR:

20. ROOKIE OF THE YEAR:

21. BEST NON-WRESTLER PERFORMER:

22. BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER:

23. WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER:

24. BEST MAJOR SHOW:

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"CATEGORY B" AWARDS.     ONLY PICK ONE

1. WORST MAJOR SHOW OF THE YEAR:

2. BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER:

3. MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC:

4. WORST TELEVISION SHOW:

5. WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR:

6. WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR:

7. WORST PROMOTION:

8. BEST BOOKER:

9. PROMOTER OF THE YEAR:

10. BEST GIMMICK:

11. WORST GIMMICK:

12. BEST WRESTLING BOOK:

13. BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD:


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[Broken Lamp '88]

Eh, I have time for a thought experiment.

1. THESZ/FLAIR AWARD: Punk seems like a shoe-in. I can't really disagree, either.
2. MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER: Seems like either Jon Jones (on account of his future) or GSP (on account of the gate at 129). Fine with either.
3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER: Shinsuke Nakamura. All that Supernova shit came true. Just a staggering amount of great wrestling all year from him.
4. MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER: Frankie Edgar. The two Maynard fights are goddamn amazing, and both happened within the voting period.
5. BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW: GSP or Cena.
6. FEUD: CM Punk Vs. John Cena, because I cannot name a single other feud I was interested in seeing the conclusion of.
7. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR: aaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
8. MOST IMPROVED: Dolph Ziggler. Dolph is week in and out the best wrestler WWE has right now, and is starting to become a pretty goddamn great promo. I'd also be open to an argument for Orton, since I feel this has been his best in-ring year.
9. BEST ON INTERVIEWS: Chael Sonnen. My investment in MMA is a desire to be entertained: Sonnen entertains me to the point where I really want to see him fight. So there you go.
10. MOST CHARISMATIC: Ricardo Rodriguez, but they'll give this to Punk.
11. BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER: Shinsuke Nakamura.
12. BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD: Probably also Shinsuke Nakamura.
13. BEST FLYING WRESTLER: BUSHI or Felino or who gives a shit.
14. MOST OVERRATED: Hiroshi Tanahashi or John Cena. Tanahashi has just been horribly, horribly stale all year, and Cena's become kind of unbearable.
15. MOST UNDERRATED: Drew McIntyre.
16. PROMOTION OF THE YEAR: UFC, I guess.
17. BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW: None?
18. PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR: Cena/Punk
19. MMA MATCH OF THE YEAR: Edgar/Maynard III
20. ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: Daichi Hashimoto. What's option B?
21. BEST NON-WRESTLER PERFORMER: Ricardo Rodriguez.
22. BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER: I dunno, Kevin Kelly?
23. WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER: Michael Cole
24. BEST MAJOR SHOW: WWE Money In The Bank, 7/17/11

And the sound of a fart re: category B.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

It would never and could never happen, but how wonderful would it be if Mark Henry won the Lou Thesz award? I'd vote for him anyway. Hell, I'd vote for them to rename it the Mark Henry award.

Wouldn't Rocky be a pretty good shout for box office draw? I know Survivor Series was disappointing, but he spiked the 'Mania buy-rate so much just by his mere presence. If not him, I'd take Punk over Cena. Punk's the only other guy who significantly moved numbers in WWE as far as I'm aware (and I'm not really interested in the business-side of things, so could well be wrong).

[jaedmc]

What's the difference between Most Outstanding Wrestler and the Flair/Thesz Award?

[Broken Lamp '88]

My understanding is that Flair/Thesz takes drawing power into account, and outstanding is purely about in-ring work.

[DocSarpolis]

1. LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD –
1. Hiroshi Tanahashi
2. CM Punk
3. L.A. ParK

2. MMA MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Jon Jones
3. Dan Henderson

3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER:
1. Shinsuke Nakamura
2. Dick Togo
3. Yuji Nagata

4. MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Jon Jones
3. Dan Henderson

5. BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW –
1. The Rock
2. CM Punk
3. L.A. ParK

6. FEUD OF THE YEAR –
1. Shinobu-Y.Sasaki; BJPW
2. CM Punk-WWE
3. Black Terry-Angel Mortal; IWRG

7. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR –
1. Bad Intentions; NJPW
2. Sekimoto & Okabayashi; AJPW/BJPW
3. Apollo 55; NJPW

8. MOST IMPROVED –
1. Strong Man; CMLL
2. Heath Slater; WWE
3. Tetsuya Naito; NJPW

9. BEST ON INTERVIEWS –
1. CM Punk
2. Kevin Steen
3. Briscoe Bros.

10. MOST CHARISMATIC –
1. The Rock
2. L.A. ParK
3. CM Punk

11. BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER –
1. Shinsuke Nakamura
2. Chris Masters
3. GENTARO

12. BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD –
1. L.A. ParK
2. Black Terry
3. Kevin Steen

13. BEST FLYING WRESTLER –
1. Prince Devitt
2. Atomic Boy
3. Young Buck$

14. MOST OVERRATED –
1. Sheamus
2. Davey Richards
3. Eddie Edwards

15. MOST UNDERRATED –
1. Chris Masters
2. Alex Shelley
3. Drew McIntyre

16. PROMOTION OF THE YEAR –
1. NJPW
2. UFC
3. PWG

17. BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW –
1. WWE Superstars
2. WWE SmackDown!
3. Dragon Gate Infinity

18. PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR –
1. L.A. Park v. El Mesias; AAA 12/5/10
2. Dick Togo v. Antonio Honda; DDT 1/30/11
3. Kensuke Sasaki v. Takashi Sugiura; NOAH 7/23/11

19. MMA MATCH OF THE YEAR –
1. Dan Henderson v. Mauricio Rua; UFC 11/19/11
2. Shinya Aoki v. Yuichiro Nagashima; DREAM/K-1 12/31/10
3. Wanderlei Silva v. Cung Lee; UFC 11/19/11

20. ROOKIE OF THE YEAR –
1. Fenix

21. BEST NON-WRESTLER PERFORMER –
1. Vickie Guerrero
2. Ricardo Rodriguez

22. BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER –
1. Joe Rogan
2. Scott Stanford
3. Excalibur

23. WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER –
1. Michael Cole
2. Jerry Lawler
3. Booker T

24. BEST MAJOR SHOW –
1. NJPW 8/5/11
2. UFC 11/19/11
3. UFC 9/24/11

"CATEGORY B" AWARDS. PICK ONE IN EACH CATEGORY. WINNER CHOSEN ON THE BASIS OF FIRST PLACE VOTES.
1. WORST MAJOR SHOW OF THE YEAR – WWE Night of Champions
2. BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER – Kevin Steen ‘Steenalizer’
3. MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC – Matt & Jeff Hardy, ‘White Trash do Social Networking’
4. WORST TELEVISION SHOW – WWE RAW
5. WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR – Cena-Miz/Riley ‘I Quit’
6. WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR – The Miz-John Cena-The Rock
7. WORST PROMOTION – Dragon Gate USA
8. BEST BOOKER - Gedo & Jado
9. PROMOTER OF THE YEAR - Dana White
10. BEST GIMMICK – CM Punk
11. WORST GIMMICK – John Cena
12. BEST WRESTLING BOOK – ‘The Last Outlaw’ by Stan Hansen w/ Scott Teal
13. BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD – Memphis Heat

[DylanWaco]

CATEGORY "A" AWARDS (PICK YOUR TOP 3)

1. LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD:

1. Mark Henry
2. CM Punk
3. Jerry Lawler

I could be convinced that someone from Mexico deserves to make the list (Averno?), but despite following the scene fairly closely, I'm pretty ignorant of who was or wasn't a big drawing card.  

I can see an argument for Punk first and wouldn't argue against it.  My argument for Henry is that he seemed to have a more positive effect on business when he was given the ball than Punk did.  A lot of that has to do with booking of course, but I'm not sure you can really adjust an awards standards for something like that.  

Lawler will be a controversial pick I guess, but when you consider how important the Miz/Lawler and Miz/Cole stuff was to the road to Mania, factor in the fact that last Dec. counts in these awards and that's when the sweet TLC match happened on RAW, consider the fact that Lawler was the guy the company went to to get over the walkout storyline, and look at the fact that he drew some really big crowds on the indies...well in a weak year I think he at least deserves a very serious look.  

I could see an argument for Cena, but this was the first time since he's been the ace where it felt like him having the top spot without question was the WRONG move.  The long term stuff with him and Rock actually seems like it has hurt him even though they will do massive business at Mania.  

I also think you could make a long shot argument for Rey based on the fact that the shows really seemed to suffer in his absence given the fact that he plays four very important and distinct roles in the company.  

3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER:

1. Blue Panther
2. CM Punk
3. Virus

I have flipped and flopped between these three all year and could see arguments for Ishikawa, Mark Henry, Negro Navarro and Trauma I as well.  

Panther to me seems like the most consistent guy.  He combines volume of good matches against a variety of people with raw skill as good or better than the other two.  Punk probably has more "epic" performances, but has more visible flaws and the booking at the end of the year turning him into a Cena clone in the ring hurt him some.  Virus' best performances were probably my single favorite performances of the year, but he only had a couple (v. Stuka Jr, v. Guerrero Maya Jr.) and while the Demus match was good it was kind of disappointing also.  

Anyhow the point is I could flip on any of those three at any given time.  

5. BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW:

1. The Rock
2. John Cena
3. Mark Henry

Even with the SS buyrate I think it is hard to argue against the guy who popped house show figures just by having his name show up on tv and then turned around and had a first day ticket sale record for Mania later in the year.  Cena sort of has to be two by virtue of piggybacking on Rock for the biggest couple of gates of the year.  Henry improved ratings and attendance once he became SD champ.

6. FEUD OF THE YEAR:

1. CM Punk v. John Cena
2. Blue Panther v. Negro Casas
3. Miz v. Jerry Lawler

Cena v. Punk had the best moments of the year and truly classic matches.  Casas v. Panther had one great brawl early and then a series of nasty fist fight exchanges for a couple of months that were among may favorite sequences in wrestling all year.  Miz v. Lawler had some really fun promos and one really great singles match.  Over all it was a fairly weak year.  

7. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR:

1. Los Traumas
2. Black Terry/Negro Navarro
3. Air Boom

Traumas at their best are about as awesome a tag team as you are going to get at this point in wrestling history.  Two total badasses that can brawl like crazy, hit great highspots, work the mat like beasts, sell a beating, et.  Terry and Navarro had about a half dozen really awesome matches teaming together that really made you wish they were a full time tag team.  Air Boom was awesome when I saw them live and had plenty of solid performances in a short run.  

8. MOST IMPROVED:

1. Alberto Del Rio
2. David Otunga
3. Bully Ray

I'm sure a lot will disagree on Otunga, but he went from being the shittiest guy on the roster to being a pretty amusing character, who would bump his ass off in the ring and actually looked great live when I saw him.  Bully Ray was the most interesting thing about an awful company, but was also pretty damn good which is saying something in TNA.  Del Rio improved a lot in the ring from a guy who often seemed to make matches worse to a guy that really could add to a match with his lunatic bumps and offense.  

9. BEST ON INTERVIEWS:

1. CM Punk
2. Mark Henry
3. Jerry Lawler

People loved the Rock's promos - I mostly thought they were pretty boring, though his charisma shines through.  Still I left him off the list.  Punk had the single best promos of the year, but also had some really cringe worthy ones.  If there were any other consistent homeruns he would have been lower.  Henry was great when he was given chances to talk and projected his character perfectly.  Lawler had the great promo setting up the walk out, and lots of good stuff early in the year as well.  Some of his indy promos were solid too.  

10. MOST CHARISMATIC:

1. The Rock
2. Santino Marella
3. Dolph Ziggler

I'll get shit from this one I'm sure, but I think Punk being Punk was really charismatic.  Punk as a poor man's Cena?  Not so much at all, so he drops out of my top three though I could see how people would disagree. Rock has to be the runaway winner.  Santino seems like a crazy choice, but he consistently is one of the two or three most over guys on the roster and gets huge responses from EVERY casual fan I know.  He definitely feels more magnetic than almost anyone else on the roster despite how he is booked.  Ziggler I give extra points to after seeing just how douchey he came across live.  He started the year piggybacking on Vicki's heat and ended the year a heat magnet on his own.  Could have easily slipped Henry in here, but I think he has a weaker case then those three guys.  

11. BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER:

1. Negro Navarro
2. Blue Panther
3. Virus

For the purposes of my sanity I'm assuming this means "mat worker."  So there you have it.  I think any of those guys could be flipped around, though Navarro seems to have the most depth on the mat so I went with him first.  Solar could have easily appeared here.  

12. BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD:

1. Luke Gallows
2. Jerry Lawler
3. Necro Butcher

I almost feel bad leaving Casas and Panther off of this but it would have been hard to pick between them.  Gallows had some great wild brawls this year and actually had a real "Brody" feel in terms of being this big, touring, reckless big man - except unlike Brody he was actually good in the ring too.  The Jake Davis matches are some of my favorite matches all year.  Lawler still has the best punches in the business and during the time period had really good out of control brawls with Miz, Funk and Dreamer (plus we have glimpses of another really good one v. Doug Gilbert).  Necro is a default top three in this category as he always has a couple of matches that make you cringe due to their brutality.  

13. BEST FLYING WRESTLER:

1. Masacarita Dorada
2. Dragon Lee
3. Evan Bourne

Kind of a weak category this year.  Dorada I only saw a few times this year but remains the most incredible highspot wrestler...ever?  Dragon Lee is extremely hit or miss, but when he hits he is a true "holy shit!" highspot wrestler and has had some really good performances.  Bourne has the most over single highspot in wrestling and it ALWAYS looks great.  

14. MOST OVERRATED:

1. Christian
2. Randy Orton
3. Kane

I take this to mean a combination of "overpushed" and  "overrated" by smart fans.  Kane will appear on my list as long as he continues being employed.  Orton and Christian are both tough because they have plusses - hell this is one of Orton's best years ever in terms of output in the ring.  Still Randy has proven that he is not "the man" and never will be at the box office and yet he is still pushed largely as one of about three or four legit top tier stars in the WWE.  Christian became a pretty boring, formulaic heel to me this year and also fell on his face when he was up top.  

15. MOST UNDERRATED:

1. Drew McIntrye
2. Chris Masters
3. Shaun Tempers

Drew Mac is no worse than one of the 25 best wrestlers on Earth and he's treated like an after thought in the WWE at best.  Masters got released after having a tremendous in ring year that was carrying over into 2011.  Tempers is the best indy guy you've ever seen or heard of.  

16. PROMOTION OF THE YEAR:

1. Chikara
2. CMLL
3. WWE

If you judge a promotion purely on how much money it makes it's obviously always going to be the WWE.  But this was a year where the WWE seemed to be in panic mode more than ever.  CMLL had a really strong year in the ring, but as far as I know business has not been very strong.  I don't even watch much Chikara and what I do watch I don't like very much.  But this was a year where they really solidified themselves as the ultimate niche promotion.  There marketing is by far the best of the "super indies," with only PWG being close and they exist in a market with far less serious competition.  King of Trios is now the most identifiable "name brand" indy event every year.  There first ippv appears to have done far better than expected.  They have the most devout fans and that base appears to be expanding.  They understand the internet age better than other promotions and despite having fly ins and special events that would seem to cost a shitload of money, they always appear to make it back.  In a year where the big dogs feel weak, Chikara felt like it was growing and emerging from a pack.  

17. BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW:

1. SAW
2. Smackdown
3. Superstars

I've only seen about 4 months worth of SAW tv but it is truly episodic, has had some really fun angles, has had some really good matches and is never boring.  SD gave us Mark Henry as World Champion.  Superstars still gives you one good match a show at minimum.  

18. PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR:

1. CM Punk v. John Cena - Money In The Bank
2. Yuki Ishikawa v. Daisuke Ikeda - BattleArts 5/11
3. Virus v. Guerrero Mayo Jr. - CMLL 6/7

Covered a lot of this on the last Wrestling Culture Podcast.  Punk v. Cena combined the best elements of in ring work with modern day spectacle and feels like it had to be number one as a result.  Ikeda v. Ishikawa was a nasty war with both guys being awesome.  Virus v. Guerrero Maya Jr. was a hell of a match that built and built to a great climax.  Lots of matches I would have as honorable mentions.

20. ROOKIE OF THE YEAR:

1. Dr. McCarver
2. Dragon Lee
3. ?

McCarver was fucking awesome in the Dr.'s tag with Dundee v. Lawler and friend.  Dragon Lee was hit or miss, but as said before when he was on he was great.  No clue who else would even qualify or be good enough to consider.  

21. BEST NON-WRESTLER PERFORMER:

1. Dr. McCarver
2. Ricardo Rodriguez
3. Vicki Guerrero

Yeah McCarver only showed up that once but he was the best combination of Jimmy Hart and Andy Kauffman ever.  I still think Vicki is more of a heat magnet than Ricardo, but Ricardo's bumps were great when he had to take them.  

22. BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER:

1. Jim Ross
2. William Regal
3. Whoever the SAW guy is

Say what you want about JR but at least the matches seem like big deals when he is calling them.  Also "by god they've got bolt cutters!"  Regal is fun in the booth.  SAW guy is a decent delivery man for a good show.  

23. WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER:

1. Mike Tenay
2. Tazz
3. Michael Cole

I actually like Cole and find him entertaining more often than not (yes I know I'm in the minority) but I also think he hurts the product.  Still Tazz and Tenay make TNA unwatchable.  

24. BEST MAJOR SHOW:

1. Money In The Bank
2. Elimination Chamber
3. Summerslam

MITB might be the best WWE ppv of all time.  Off hand I can't think of anything better.  Elimination Chamber was a great show, with three legitimately awesome matches.  Summerslam was a strong top to bottom show, with a great main event.  

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"CATEGORY B" AWARDS. ONLY PICK ONE

1. WORST MAJOR SHOW OF THE YEAR:

TNA Turning Point maybe?

2. BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER:

Trauma I's super fast leg lock thing

3. MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC:

Anyone continuing to pay degenerate criminal Ric Flair

4. WORST TELEVISION SHOW:

Ring of Honor

5. WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR:

Kyle O'reilly v. Davey Richards from ROH TV

6. WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR:

Davey Richards v. Eddie Edwards

7. WORST PROMOTION:

TNA

8. BEST BOOKER:

Mike Quackenbush (assuming he books Chikara)

9. PROMOTER OF THE YEAR:

Mike Quackenbush (for the record I don't even LIKE Quack)

10. BEST GIMMICK:

Mark Henry as underachieving, dangerous big man who snaps and finally realizes potential.  

11. WORST GIMMICK:

The happy, go lucky Viper Randy Orton

12. BEST WRESTLING BOOK:

I still need to get the Hansen book.  The Jerry Jarrett book was really flawed and in parts disappointing but the good aspects of it were really good.  So that is my pick here I guess.  

13. BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD:

Memphis Heat

[jaedmc]

Daichi Hashimoto would probably be a good call on Rookie of the Year. He's not great but he's still not even a year into his career and he's had some really fun performances against a lot of different people. At the very least he's good enough to get carried to something good by better people, and lots of guys 8 years into their careers can't say that for themselves.

I'd put the Miz way ahead of Orton or Christian in the overrated. Christian and Orton both had really good years in ring, The Miz did not even have that, and yet he wrestled in the Main Event of Wrestlemania. I'd also maybe put Zack Ryder, just because I don't find him very funny and he's not anything special in the ring.

I actually just saw Otunga on Smackdown for the first time in a while and even my wife noticed that he's improved. He still looks like he's concentrating really hard on what the hell he's supposed to do in there, but he bumps better, and he looks like he's dropped some weight, which allows him to move a lot smoother. Heath Slater is a guy that I'd probably place ahead of him, though. I didn't think he'd be anything, but he may be the best wrestler from Nexus(not counting DB) and I certainly didn't expect that.

I dig Chris Masters and Drew Mac for underrated, I'd probably through in Yoshi Tatsu or Tyson Kidd. Kidd in particular had a tremendous year. He had really good matches with Daniel Bryan, Trent Baretta, Yoshi, and maybe gave Mistico his best matches. Dude busts his ass big time every time.

And yeah, CHIKARA would be my promotion of the year. No doubt.

[WrestlingPower]

Michael Graham is the SAW guy, Dylan.

And to whoever voted DGUSA worst promotion, and I'm not trying to troll as I've been kind of down on them as well, but kind of curious as to why.  I could see it not being your cup of tea but worst promotion?  Are you strictly talking about how Gabe promotes it (you might have an argument there) or artistically?

[KillSteve]

I wonder how many legit Henry votes they'll get for most overated or worst gimmick.

[Robert]

I really hope people listen to me and pick Perro Aguayo Jr. faking cancer and then inserting himself into a cage match on the PdM anniversary show as most disgusting promotional tactic. If that had happened anywhere other than Mexico it'd probably get 100% of the votes but Dave really didn't give it too much press and the sheep tend not to search out their own news.

I really can't imagine someone actually knowing Perro faked cancer and putting anything else as their vote.

[odessasteps]

If fritz's heart attack angle won in the past, perro should also win.

I bet that sime stupid tna angle ends up winning.

[Dewar]

he faked cancer? holy shit, that's pretty low...

[DylanWaco]

Robert, on Jan 6 2012, 12:01 AM, said:

I really hope people listen to me and pick Perro Aguayo Jr. faking cancer and then inserting himself into a cage match on the PdM anniversary show as most disgusting promotional tactic. If that had happened anywhere other than Mexico it'd probably get 100% of the votes but Dave really didn't give it too much press and the sheep tend not to search out their own news.

I really can't imagine someone actually knowing Perro faked cancer and putting anything else as their vote.

I had no fucking clue that happened and think you are definitely right that that should be the consensus pick.

[Robert]

Indeed. After disappearing for a few weeks lots of rumors circulated that Perro was in rehab so the promotion (Perros Del Mal) came out with a story that he had a cancerous tumor removed and that is why he was out of action. They added he'd be going through chemothearpy and would be out of action for a while. Not more than 2 weeks after announcing that Perro was suddenly okay to wrestle again! This man who just had a cancer scare and was undergoing chemotherapy was back in action doing matches where he was bleeding all over the place and somehow managed to maintain his physique. Perros Del Mal stuck to their story and claimed he was still going through the early stages of chemo. The icing on the cake? They then announced the big match for their anniversary show - Clowns vs Damian 666, Super Crazy & Perro Jr. in a cage match with the last one losing their mask or hair. The obvious implication being that Perrito was going to lose since he'd have to lose his hair in chemo anyhow. The show ended up drawing well and of course Perrito didn't lose.

Odds are most of us all know someone who has or had cancer. Is there any way in hell that someone would be capable of still wrestling? Let alone bleed buckets in every match and maintain the physique of an athlete? Pretty sickening stuff if you ask me.

[The Natural]

DylanWaco, on Jan 6 2012, 12:25 AM, said:

Robert, on Jan 6 2012, 12:01 AM, said:

I really hope people listen to me and pick Perro Aguayo Jr. faking cancer and then inserting himself into a cage match on the PdM anniversary show as most disgusting promotional tactic. If that had happened anywhere other than Mexico it'd probably get 100% of the votes but Dave really didn't give it too much press and the sheep tend not to search out their own news.

I really can't imagine someone actually knowing Perro faked cancer and putting anything else as their vote.

I had no fucking clue that happened and think you are definitely right that that should be the consensus pick.

Man that's fucking sick.

[DocSarpolis]

WrestlingPower, on Jan 5 2012, 03:03 PM, said:

And to whoever voted DGUSA worst promotion, and I'm not trying to troll as I've been kind of down on them as well, but kind of curious as to why.  I could see it not being your cup of tea but worst promotion?  Are you strictly talking about how Gabe promotes it (you might have an argument there) or artistically?

Well, 1st off I don't watch any of what I would probably consider to be 'bad' wrestling. It's often difficult for me to vote in 'worst' categories (particularly worst match) because with all of the fantastic wrestling around the world I rarely spend time watching things that are actively bad.

That said, on an artistic note.....I did watch a few DGUSA matches last year and didn't particularly enjoy them. They came across like a mix of ROH & Dragon Gate, but was inferior to both. While not my favorite style, I do enjoy a fair amount of Dragon Gate for what it is. Infinity ranked as my #3 TV show and I have enjoyed DG involvement in ROH & PWG. Why is it that I am very excited to see the PWG this month w/ a bunch of DG talent, but have little desire to see the DGUSA show on the same weekend? Perhaps it's because PWG is doing what they do and making their cards at least interesting by mixing talent in unique matches. DGUSA meanwhile, just comes across like the touring version of DG to me. Granted, this is based upon a small sample size as I haven't watched a full show since their 1st year. So, take these comments with a grain of salt. Again, a lot of my voting in the 'worst' categories is based upon a lot of small sample size viewing.

All fo that said, I think my primary reasons were business related. I put a lot of my votes together in the smaller categories many weeks ago so my memory is hazy, but I seem toe remember hearing that the company was doing pretty poor business. Was this the year that they ran the same weekend as ROH in the same market and drew less than half as much? Actually, that sounds like 2010. So, yeah, my memory is a little hazy, but I remember getting the impression that while ROH was making lots of moves & trying to reestablish their model, that DGUSA was just falling behind.

Ok, that's my lame attempt to explain why I voted for a company that is surely far from the worst promotion.

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When in doubt just put TNA, I say.