2011 MLB Hall of Fame Discussion
Posted 09 May 2011 - 08:44 AM
Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:50 PM
Then again, to deny a man named Shoeless Joe a place in history is to deny possibly the best nickname in sporting history.
Posted 09 May 2011 - 08:02 PM
Go read the book Eight Men Out. Don't trust the movie, because they changed a few things for dramatic license/effect. For example, the movie had Eddie Cicotte being benched right away so he couldn't win 30 games to collect his bonus, when in real life he actually had two starts where he didn't do too well after he won his 29th game, before being benched. And since pitchers were expected to pitch a full game unlike today's pitchers, resting a pitcher for the playoffs before the season was over was a standard practice back then.
The one person who didn't get punished for the Black Sox scandal, in my opinion, was the team's owner, Charles Comiskey. The entire thing happened because he was a pennypinching asshole who treated his players like dirt. If anything, Joe Jackson should be put in the HoF and Comiskey tossed out.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 01:55 AM
Posted 11 May 2011 - 07:48 PM
But I think Joe Jackson was a scapegoat/victim more than anything, and Comiskey deserved a huge chunk of the blame, but got off scott free due to being the owner.
It also bothers me as a Reds fan, because it gave them a tainted championship, when there are quite a few historians who actually believe the Reds could have beaten them legitimately. (Not would have, but could have. BIG difference.)
Posted 11 May 2011 - 09:02 PM
None of that means anything really. I just thought it was interesting.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 09:03 PM
Posted 12 May 2011 - 12:54 AM
So would I.
But I believe cheating by using PEDs is a worse crime that betting on baseball and as bad if not worse than throwing games.
I'd put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame (and I don't want him in, despite being a Reds fan) before I'd put a single cheater like McGwire, Clemens or Bonds in. They should be as banned as the Black Sox (except Jackson) are.
Posted 12 May 2011 - 05:22 PM
Performance Enhancing Drugs on the other hand are a different thing. People cheating to win are still trying to win. Don't get me wrong, still cheating, still wrong but I don't believe it damages the foundation of professional sports like match fixing does. As I've said in this very thread, PEDs aren't banned because they enhance performance, they're banned because they are health risks; and in some cases [eg. HGH] there is evidence to suggest that they might not be as effective as performance enhancers are people have been lead to believe.
Posted 12 May 2011 - 05:47 PM
Bobby Cox should go in before Larussa.
as for the PED's, as far as I'm concerned, it's part of the era. You don't know who is clean and who isn't. For all we know Greg Maddux took more roids then the entire WWF locker room of the 80s, we don't have proof (and no, I don't think he was a roider, but even Dan Majerle busted a roids test once)