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[Phil Schneider]

Same rules as over at Purotpia.

"This is for those of you looking for a quick reference guide of 'what to watch'. To get on the list a match must have at least 71% positive votes, 3 'yes' votes, and a net positive of 3. The current 'top tier' matches, with a minimum of 10 more yes than no votes and 90% positive, are bolded. The next tier, with a net positive of 8 and 80% positive, are in italics. If you think a match isn't here that should be, lobby for it."

Nominate and vote below, unlike at Purotopia, I want at least a sentence if I am counting your vote.

THE LIST

Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/19 (8 YES)
Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance v. Los Oficiales IWRG 10/16 (3 YES)
La Sombra vs Efesto CMLL 12/7 (5 YES)
Mystico De La Juarez/Silver King/Rubi Gardenia v. Cassandro/Magno/El Hijo Del Santo Lucha Libre London 12/9 (4 YES)


NOMINATIONS

Pequeno Reyes Del Aire  CMLL 1/4/08
Dos Caras Jr./La Sombra vs El Averno/El Mephisto CMLL 1/25/08
Mistico/La Sombra vs El Averno/El Mephisto CMLL 1/27/08 (2 YES)
Black Terry v. Multifacitico IWRG 2/28 (1 YES)
Celestial/Electrico/Shockercito vs. Fire/Mr. Aguilita/Pequeño Damian 666 CMLL 3/11
Alan Stone vs. Zorro vs. Abismo Negro vs. Mr. Niebla AAA 3/16
Bam Bam/Mascarita Dorada/Tzuki vs Fire/Pequeno Damian 666/Pierrothito CMLL 3/21
Perro Aguayo Jr vs Hector Garza CMLL 3/21 (1 YES)
Sombra/Volador Jr./Sagrado vs Hijo Del Fantasma/La Mascara/Valiente CMLL 4/30 (1 YES)
Mistico/Marco Corleone/Shocker vs Perrito/El Averno/El Mephisto CMLL 4/30
Fabi Apache vs Mari Apache  AAA 6/13 (1 YES, 1 NO)
Rey Del Ring IWRG 7/24 (1 NO)
Bam Bam vs Pequeno Damian 666 CMLL 7/27 (1 YES)
Bam Bam vs Pequeno Damian 666 CMLL 8/17 (1 YES)
Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/29 (2 YES, 1 NO)
Freelance/Fenix/Pendulo v. Black Terry/Negro Navarro/El Hijo Del Pierroth IWRG 10/3
Loco Max vs Tony Rivera CMLL 10/5 (1 NO)
Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance v. Los Oficiales IWRG 10/9
Blue Panther v. Averno CMLL 11/4 (2 YES)
Zatura/Freelance/Aeroman v. Los Oficiales IWRG 11/2 (1 YES)
Pendulo/Freelance v. Trauma II/Comando Negro IWRG 12/12
Terrible/Texano Jr./Rey Bucanero/Misterioso II/Mr. Niebla/Villano V/Atlantis/Ephesto vs. Shocker/Maximo/Dos Caras Jr./ Marco Corleone/Blue Panther/Sagrado/ Toscano/Valiente CMLL 12/12 (1 NO)

[Phil Schneider]

Going ahead and nominating

Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/29

This is the revanche match in Arena Puebla 10 days after Panther lost his mask, and he comes out battling. There are a lot of spots from the mask match, including Panther impaling Villano in chairs with a tope, and Villano hitting his awesome superplex (although when he goes for multiple superplexes ala the mask match, Panther counters). One thing that really changed in this match, is that Villano took Panther mask, and is no longer the underdog, the roles have reversed and he has Panthers number .He really overwhelms Panther during the brawling, pounding him, and Panther has to crawl for the ropes mutiple times, and is forced grab a armbar out of nowhere to take control. Villanos 3 and 4 come in to break that up and they really deliver a nasty postmach beatdown, 3 was really throwing some nasty punches and head

Blue Panther v. Averno CMLL 11/4

Panther has been in some big time brawls this year, but this his anniversary match and is much more Maestro style. Lots of nifty grabbing of holds, including the keylock lift spot which is my all time favorite Panther spot. Averno is clearly along for the ride though which stops this from being as great as matches with two Maestros against each other. It is still really fun to watch Panther basically work counters with himself.

Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/19

For some reason in current lucha libre most masks are lost in multi person cage matches or four ways, I can’t remember the last time we have seen this kind of mano a mano mascara contra mascara. Luckily for us Panther wasn’t going out in some bullshit cage and we got a taste of how it is supposed to be done.

We start out with a fun brawl with Panther eating a nasty post shot and Villano throwing some nice looking chops and punches (including a sweet left hook). The first big spot of the match, ( and one of the spots of the year) has Panther nuking Villano with a tope into the seats, either Villano busts the back of his head legit, or the crazy fuck bladed the back of his head as he wrestles the rest of the match with a blood smear growing out of the back of his mask. The first fall ends with Panther getting his masked ripped off, and the second fall ends with Villano getting a receipt, really went with the crazy atmosphere of the whole thing.

Third fall was close to perfect, Panther hits three great looking topes, one after another, smashing Villano further into the seats on each of them. Panther pescadas his face into Villanos feet, and then Villano takes control, getting some big near falls with multiple superplexes. Finish was awesome, as first Panther counters with the Fujiwara armbar for a really insane near fall (at this point the roof is about to blow off Arena Mexico) and when he goes for it again, Villano counters with a crucifix and the place erupts. You had fans in Villano masks going berserk and fans in Panther masks crying. Really couldn’t ask for more from either guy, and a truly awesome way for Panther to lose his mask.

[Mike_187]

Blue Panther vs. Villano V (CMLL - 9/19) - Yes

Amazing watching Panther hellbent on not losing his mask. You know something important is at stake when an aging mat technician continuously launches himself at his opponent. Crowd getting behind Villano was something special and showed how important the mask still is in Mexico. Blood seeping through the mask added to the drama as it made simple lucha slams look like believable finishers. Dug the fight for a boston crab in the second fall. All the "bullshit" made sense and added to the match. Panther's armbar nearfall was out of this world as a. it's lucha, submission finishing moves are death and b. everyone thought Villano was going to lose.

Blue Panther vs. Villano V (CMLL, 9/29) - Yes

They worked in a few spots from the mask match, however, the big difference was Panther. Instead of being the legendary Blue Panther protecting his mask, in this match he's simply an old man out for revenge. Instead of trying to win the match, he'd rather rip at Villano's mask. This had three Panther topes, the last one being especially great as it drove V5 back into a chair. Panther headbutting his way out of the second suplex is what we call a smart learned spot. Those Villanos (especial 3) know how to deliver a mob-like beatdown. Good, if not slightly depressing.

Nominate:

Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance vs. Los Oficiales (IWRG - 10/17)

An Air Force member screwed up quite badly and some of their spots took a little too long to set up, but they weren't too bad. Freelance is freakishly great, selling well and hitting some of the most complex daredevil shit I've ever seen. Oficiales do their job well and all have this crazy Psicosis thing going for them. Good match.

[Phil Schneider]

Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance vs Los Oficiales IWRG 10/17 YES

In an area where most lucha trios match feel clipped even when they aren’t, IWRG is still a place where they let things draw out a bit. This didn’t have the matwork you will occasionally see in IWRG, as this was worked more like a classic 90’s AAA match then a classic 90’s CMLL match. Oficiales have awesome masks, and are like a trio of 1994 Psicosi, crazy bumps to the floor, a sick tope, and incredible eating of all of the flyers spots. They basically keep the AAA guys out of this match, outside of their big dives, and give us plenty of Freelance. If you aren’t on the Freelance bandwagon, jump on, as he is the single most spectacular wrestler in the world. It isn’t even his dives (although he bust out an insane springboard tope con hilo into the seats), but his rope running, headscissors and armdrags are as fast and slick as Rey Mysterio at his greatest. I think this would even appeal to the lamers who don’t “get” lucha, as this doesn’t take much getting.

[odessasteps]

Fabi Apache vs Mari Apache (hair match) AAA 6/13

Presumably the culmination to the long running Apache vs Apache feud involing Fabi, Mari, El Gran Apache, Billy Boy and Marvin the baby. Very good match that ended with one of the best hair-cutting angles since the one involving Manami Toyota.

[Tim Evans]

Fabi Apache vs Mari Apache (hair match) AAA 6/13

YES. My Lucha Match of the year all the way. A great ending to one of the best feuds.

[Robert]

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Fabi Apache vs Mari Apache AAA 6/13 (1 YES)

No. I expected way more and the finish came from out of nowhere. The blood added to the drama but the post-match seemingly meant more than the actual pinfall. Needed more time for sure.

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Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/29 (1 YES)

No. I shouldn't let the fact the building was half-full enter my head since we're talking about the match itself but it's hard not to. HOW WAS THE BUILDING NOT FULL? Shows what a stupid decision it was to unmask Panther that way. Match did nothing for me.

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Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance v. Los Oficiales IWRG 10/17 (1 YES)

Yes but what's 10/17? They had two matches - one on 10/9 and one on 10/16 which was the title match. I vote yes to both.

Freelance/Pegasso Xtreme/Rey Cometa vs Los Oficiales - 10/9/08: Fantastic match. Rudos took control early and are really such a great team that gets very little appreciation. The match was really built as one solid trio against a group of flyers and they never strayed from that story as when the rudos were in control it was all double/triple team moves and when the tecnicos took over it was all flying and might I say - INSANE FLYING. The comeback spot involved crazy triple running somersault planchas with Cometa landing in the front row, Pegasso squashing AK-47 and Freelance naturally landing in the second row as only he does best. The third fall was off the charts with the tecnicos doing every move they know. Freelance continued to rock it with an insane slingshot somersault plancha into a frankensteiner taking AK-47 into the first row upside down!!! I'm wondering if that's the first time a regular sized guy (not that Freelance is regular sized...) has done that spot. More crazy dives at the end with none of the fans in the front row surviving and few of the wrestlers themselves as Pegasso cracked his face on a slingshot tornillo. Freelance got the win with the Codigo Red. 20+ minutes of fantastic lucha!

Freelance/Pegasso Xtreme/Rey Cometa vs Los Oficiales - 10/16/08: This was for the D.F./Mex State (HAHA CUBS!) Trios Titles. Some of the early matwork was edited out but it was smart editing rather than AAA-style editing where two guys tag in, there's a crowd shot and you go back to two new guys in the ring. Why even show the original two guys tagging in and thus leaving the viewer wondering what they missed? 911 blasted Freelance with a vicious bullet tope suicida and Pegasso went up and over with a running somersault plancha. The finish was a bit messed up as Cometa and AK-47 had communication problems but Cometa eventually hit his 450 for the win. Rudos got the second fall. Third fall had a ton of flying with the best dive being Freelance's springboard somersault plancha which got HUGE AIR and landed him ON TOP of AK-47 in the second row. Just vicious! Tecnicos actually were one-up after eliminating El Fierro but AK-47 countered a top rope frankensteiner by Freelance into a power bomb and since he was the captain that was the match.

First match was tons better but second match was great as well.

Nominating:

Pequeno Reyes Del Aire - 1/4/08: Probably my favorite match of the year with everyone working hard and busting out everything they know. Perfect vehicle to get Dorada over big time. You can't really ask for more of a 15 minute spotfest.

Bam Bam/Mascarita Dorada/Tzuki vs Fire/Pequeno Damian 666/Pierrothito - 3/21/08: *AMAZING*! I just recently saw an AAA mini's match that I quite enjoyed. It actually made me think that if they got more TV time and built some feuds, that division could be as good as CMLL's. I wasn't totally wrong but this match shows exactly what the AAA division is lacking. Number 1: A superstar tecnico. Number 2: The bully factor. The mini's work best when you have big rudos destroying little tecnicos. Can't do that in AAA b/c they have no more small tecnicos (although they're trying with the fourth Mascarita Sagrada) and lots of the ruditos they have are smaller than their tecnico counterparts. So the AAA matches come off as good matches with smaller than normal wrestlers while these CMLL mini matches come off as absofuckinglutely awesome mini's matches! This was naturally the show stealer. Tzuki was the MVP of the match by far which is saying something since Dorada was on fire and almost stole the show in the third fall. Tzuki was just so great with all his moves but more importantly the way let himself get tossed around and picked on by the ruditos which got the most heat out of anything on the night outside the main event. Pequeno Damian in particular was a riot when he would start a 3-on-1 on the tiny tecnico and then laugh like a jerk. I won't go into PBP but there wasn't a single second of nothing happening. This match had it all! Third fall was the best fall this new crew of mini's has put together. MOTYC for moi.

Dos Caras Jr./La Sombra vs El Averno/El Mephisto - 1/25/08: UNREAL! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the overhyped Atlantis/Guerrero vs Averno/Mephisto match although I'm sure that had to do with the fact nobody saw this and everyone saw the overhyped match since it got uploaded to the net really fast. Do yourselves a favor and get this off Fredo. Really high on my list for MOTY.

Mistico/La Sombra vs El Averno/El Mephisto - 1/27/08: AMAZING! I really wish the Arena Mexico crowd was like the Guadalajara crowd. Mistico was so over that the noise was deafening and the camera actually shook at various points. It was much like the pop Wagner got in his Arena Mexico return only sustained over the course of the entire match. Just fantastic work from everyone and if you're a tecnico fan like I am - you will LOVE THIS. Everything the tecnicos did got a gigantic pop and the crowd was mega pissed when the rudos got in any offense. Reminded me a lot of the old SNME main events where Hogan would face a random heel and you knew he was going over but the heel got just enough offense in to make you doubt yourself for a second (especially if it was the week after The Genius won!). Tons of nearfalls in the third fall and the usual big dives. Tecnicos won it and I bet I don't need to say how.:) Finish got such a huge pop followed by the entire crowd seemingly running to ringside to touch Mistico. Added this to my MOTYC list.

Sombra/Volador Jr./Sagrado vs Hijo Del Fantasma/La Mascara/Valiente - 4/30/08: MOTY. I'm gonna go out a limb and say nothing will beat this for MOTY this year but we'll see. There's always the possibility they do a special show in September for the Anniversary and book another match like this. The thing that stuck out the most was the intensity. Everyone seemed to WANT TO WIN. It's something that is missing from CMLL these days. Right from the opening exchange you got the feeling Valiente wanted to tear apart Sombra all the way to the last moments when La Mascara countered Sombra's split legged moonsault and didn't pose... he went straight for his finisher instead. The match is absolutely spectacular from start to finish without a single moment where things slow down. Add in the red hot crowd and you have a can't miss formula. Another thing that stood out was how great Volador Jr. is as a rudo. He tormented La Mascara all match long and actually made him interesting to watch! It was the same thing last year in the Reyes Del Aire when he slapped the fuck out of him near the end of the match. I would love to see a feud between those two at some point. Everyone needs to see this match. It could be a MOTY for the entire world if more people were turned onto it.

Mistico/Marco Corleone/Shocker vs Perrito/El Averno/El Mephisto: And now we go from a 100% workrate match full of intensity to this... another MOTYC except for completely different reasons. This was UNREAL. 3 super over tecnicos working in front of a 99.99999% tecnico crowd vs 3 hated rudos who actually.... *shock* *gasp*... PLAYED RUDOS!!! I was so impressed with Perrito who for the first time since at least early 2006 showed he can be unselfish in the ring and played a complete rudo role allowing Mistico to shine and get the cheers he deserves. Perrito must have smartened up and realized his core fanbase was not in attendance that night so he wasn't gonna get over no matter what so he just kept feeding Mistico all match long and Mistico is masterful at controlling this type of crowd so it was pure brilliance when they were in the ring together. Everything clicked from start-to-finish. They even had a stuffed PdM dog get involved at one point! Matches like this just make you say... I LOVE LUCHA LIBRE!

Rey Del Ring - 7/24/08: This has always been one of my favorite matches of the year and this year's version was no exception. They changed the rules up as in the past there used to always be four guys and when one got eliminated they brought in someone new. This year it exactly like a Royal Rumble with 2 guys starting and every 3 minutes someone new would come in. I was worried at first since I figured the ring would get way too crowded to do any spots but even when lots of guys were out there they had plenty of room to do whatever they wanted. Cocolores and Chico Che drew #1 and #2 respectively. No danger of either of them going the distance.;) Chico Che did last the longest out of anyone though as by my count he was still around after Scorpio Jr. came out and Scorpio was 15th. Then again Scorpio won the entire thing and he came out 15th so I guess he won the endurance title. Freelance did his usual thing where he comes out and steals the show with great moves and a huge dive before being eliminated. It sucked b/c he barely lasted 5 minutes and the crowd completely died when he got eliminated. Bad booking there. Goleador - THE HUMAN SOCCER BALL - made a special appearence which thrilled me. Late in the match Gemelo Fantastico II totally chickened out of a ringpost plancha and almost hurt himself. My only major complaint was that a lot of the guys didn't seem to grasp the concept of the match and kept trying to break up pinfalls and submissions. Why would you want to help anyone in this type of match? I never noticed that in older versions of the match but then again you only had 4 guys at a time and here you had more than 10 in the ring at once which might have led to confusion. The only other thing that sucked was they left shitty workers at the end which made the finish dull. Next year they need to do a better job spreading out the entries as literally no big stars came out early thus ensuring the finish would have all the top guys which is too predictable. Well worth checking this match out though.

Bam Bam vs Pequeno Damian 666 (CMLL Mini's Title) - 7/27/08: http://thecubsfan.co...803cmllfseb.htm

Bam Bam vs Pequeno Damian 666 (Hair vs Hair) - 8/17/08: http://thecubsfan.co...0824cmllfse.htm

Both were great matches involving two guys who love working each other and wanted to kill the other. I think Damian won if you see the finish of the hair match.:)

Rob

[tomk]

Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/19—YES!!!
This was spectacular.

There is inherent drama in a mask match but these two move away from all of the most clichéd stuff that you often get in these things lately. Your third fall, everything on the line both guys throwing it all out often times walks a thin line where it can approach Chris Daniels big holy shit move exchanges and two count for pops stuff. I didn’t feel that here instead of bigger stuff being kicked out of, this was all about guys just taking it to a level. There is something crazy and excessive about the multiple topes, crazy and excessive about the multiple superplexes in response. This never had the sense of “top this” for pops, this was guys just putting it all out. Never the clichéd “what will it take to put him away” but instead “fuck this guy thinks he needs to do this three times to ensure his win”.

I’m a sucker for rounds, the old style Texas Death match where you had 30 second rest period between rounds, Joe Goosen taking his time washing out his fighters mouthpiece, guys taking time to get their shit back together and adjusting between rounds, rounds as strategy, rounds as changes in momentum etc. And so anytime you build this much horeshit around drama between rounds..you’ve already got me.

And really this had the one guy with momentum for a long period stuff that reminded me of classic lucha. Both guys really ratcheting up the selling for long periods. Villano V selling the fuck out of powerbombs to the point where you really bought desnucadora as a dangerous move again.

All the drama by relying on selling instead of relying on your easy drama spots. Just on an other level.


Oh yeah and final finish exchange was bad ass.


Rey Del Ring - 7/24/08-NO

This is a match I always enjoy but I think the change in rules kind of fucked it up. Last Rey Del Ring really felt like they did a nice job keeping it moving. Here there felt like there was a ton more Battle Royale dead listless periods than usual. The finishing end run felt cold as well. There were fewer listless periods in the IWRG Jaula where Toro Irrision lost his mask and that had a hotter finishing run. And I wouldn’t nominate that either.

[Robert]

The rule change definitely made it a less enjoyable match this year.

Rob

[Lee]

Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/19 - YES

I don't watch a ton of lucha (I've seen my share but between WWE/TNA/ROH/NOAH and select other Japanese matches and "OLD SHIT"~! I don't have much time/inclination to keep up with Mexico). That said, a legendary guy like Blue Panther losing his mask is enough to make me take note.

So whilst it's not exactly a MOTYC (and I'll be trying to catch at least some of the high-end lucha matches from this year), it's still significant enough to warrant a YES vote. It's like the last Flair match for me, it's heightened from just a standard match to a noteworthy EVENT because of it's significance. And that makes it something worth seeing.

[Robert]

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Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/19 (2 YES, 1 NO)
Blue Panther v. Villano V CMLL 9/29 (1 YES)

I voted no to the 9/29 match, not the 9/19 mask match. I didn't vote for the mask match yet.

Rob

[S.L.L.]

Nomination:

Alan Stone vs. Zorro vs. Abismo Negro vs. Mr. Niebla AAA 3/16

On the surface, this seems like a match that was odd enough that only I might have liked it this much, as most of the match was wrestled as two concurrent singles matches, and while the Alan Stone/Zorro match was fine, you really were interested mainly in the Niebla/Abismo Negro match. That was just great, out-of-control lucha brawling, so it naturally gets a big thumbs up from me. On a certain level, the fact that it was a four-way added an interesting touch to it, as you would have Niebla and Abismo slapping the shit out of each other, and then you'd cut to Zorro and Alan Stone having a perfectly fine match, and all of a sudden you'd see a chair flying half-way across the screen in the background and hit Mr. Niebla in the head, and it was sorta like those scenes in "Do the Right Thing" where certain characters would be the focus of a scene, but another major character would just happen to be milling about in the background to help establish a sense of community. I don't know if shots establishing that this is a four-way mean quite as much, but it is better than the typical "lie around on the outside waiting your turn" technique most multi-man matches use. Probably would have preferred this as a one-on-one match, although they had a few of those, and they didn't really do it for me, oddly enough. Anyhow, they both get eliminated, and you would expect this match to immediately go downhill, but it really doesn't, as Stone and Zorro have a heated, nearfall-filled finish that really satisfies. And then Zorro wins and gets a cool, big-ass sword. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Phil Schneider]

Nomination

Zatura/Freelance/Aeroman v. Los Oficiales IWRG 11/28

Another chapter in the awesome Freelance v. Oficiales series. Started out with the Oficiales beating on the technicos, with Freelance taking some big bumps, then the techincos take over and we get about 10 minutes of crazy armdrags, ranas and dives. Freelance is as good as he always is, including an insane diving rana from the top to the floor which sent the Oficiales into the third row. Fun, fun stuff

[Robert]

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Zatura/Freelance/Aeroman v. Los Oficiales IWRG 11/28

YES. (Actual date is 11/2/08, BTW)

Awesome fucking match with the Oficiales being pinballs for 10 straight minutes near the end. I love the tecnicos (Aeroman = Mike Segura) but even I had to feel bad for the rudos as they took sick bump after sick bump.

Combine that match with the other Oficiales match that popped up this week (vs Jack, Pendulo, Multifacetico) - those rudo cops have cemented their status as trio of the year. They were pinballs again in that match and made the three average tecnicos look like superstars. I can't get enough of the triple running bump over the top rope which reminds me of the days of Los Bucaneros.

Hopefully the 11/30 match with Black Terry/Cerebros vs Oficiales for the trios titles pops up sooner rather than later.

Rob

[Tim Cooke]

Where is the other Oficiales match?  Youtube?

[Tim Evans]

Nomination:

Loco Max vs Tony Rivera 10-5-08 CMLL

Probably the best Loco Max match ever and it really helped being in Arena Coliseo. Plus it had a finish I didn't expect.

Voting:

Rey Cometa/Pegasso/Freelance v. Los Oficiales IWRG 10/16 (2 YES)
Blue Panther v. Averno

Yes to both of these. Freelance is the best flyer in the country and the Officialses totally bring the best out of everybody. Panther/Averno is way better than the Panther/Villano series because the match was worked in a old school style.

[Phil Schneider]

Nomination

Pendulo/Freelance v. Trauma II/Comando Negro IWRG 12/12

Pretty much everything useful here was in your Freelance v. Trauma II interactions. First time I have really seen Freelance work the mat and the opening Freelance v. Trauma II (who is a Negro Navarro son) stuff was really slick and awesome, I also really liked their brawling against each other. Freelance also busts out some of his big higspots, including a Super Astro senton to the floor, and an asai into the seats. The other two dudes were kind of useless, and Freelance actual sort of blows one spot which I hadn't seen before. Still well worth a watch

[Robert]

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Loco Max vs Tony Rivera 10-5-08 CMLL

No. My vote doesn't count if I don't give a sentence? Fine. This match blew. Does that count?

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Pendulo/Freelance v. Trauma II/Comando Negro IWRG 12/12

Not gonna vote yes or no since it didn't stand out enough to say yes but it wasn't bad and I feel like if I say no that means it was a bad match like the above clusterfuck. Problem with voting for this (IMO of course) is eventually this will turn into just putting every IWRG match on a list sorta like the Puro thread where one guy like DG and just nominates seemingly every match that airs on TV. How can you seperate the really great, the good, the okay, the below average and the awful if you do that?

FWIW, Freelance was rocking in that match as usual. You (Phil) should track down some early Panterita footage to see him taking it to the mat and find the few weeks he worked opposite Black Terry in a feud where they took it to the mat as well. I blame Comando Negro for the blown spot b/c he never actually elevated Freelance which is dumb. Also, the wrong team won that match. We'll probably never see Comando Negro again and he gets to win. THE FUCK?

Rob

[Phil Schneider]

 Robert, on Dec 15 2008, 01:09 AM, said:

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Loco Max vs Tony Rivera 10-5-08 CMLL

No. My vote doesn't count if I don't give a sentence? Fine. This match blew. Does that count?

Nope, I am trying to foster discussion. Talk about what you didn't like about it, for that matter Tim didn't really give me a sense of why I should seek it out. I expect more from both of you

[S.L.L.]

Nomination

Celestial/Electrico/Shockercito vs. Fire/Mr. Aguilita/Pequeño Damian 666 CMLL 3/11

So I guess somebody must have put a hit out on Shockercito, and this was the night Perritos del Mal decided to collect. Not too many other explanations for the beating he took in this match. Obvious highlight is getting dropkicked off the second rope to the floor while trying to perform an Asai moonsault suicida. I mean, he still catches Pequeno Damian on the way down, but still, damn. His teammates don't fare too much better. Whenever the rudos are in control, this match is an absolute mugging. When the technicos fight back, they really take to the air in spectacular fashion. It doesn't really feel like a spot-fu match, but has about as many great "holy shit, I gotta rewind that" moments as your better spot-fu matches do.