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[DEAN]

Driverette.  9/11/2008.  Outskirts of Richmond, VA.  Dean Rasmussen.  "Don't Speak" by the Eagles of Death Metal.

BACKSTORY:  I talk a big game.  I was going to watch the five lucha libre shows on my DVR.  I was going to watch that World Of Sport.  But THEN.  I get home.  I look at what I've recorded last night and today and LO AND BEHOLD it was a mini-marathon of JURRASIC FIGHT CLUB!  Fuck the world.  I tell my six year old in my oldest-fart-voice I own, "When IIIII WAS SIX, we had NOTHING.  NOTHING.  Look at those computer generated dinosaurs!  Do you REALIZE what would have happened to me if this came on tv when I was your age?!?!?  DO YOU!?!?  MY ENTIRE BODY WOULD EXPLODE in a tiny child-size supernova of BLISS!  LOOK AT THIS!!  THIS WHOLE SHOW IS ABOUT DINOSAURS FIGHTING EACH OTHER?!?!?  JESUS FUCKING FUCK, BOY!  DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!  We had the fuckin Land of the Lost!  LAND OF THE FUCKIN LOST!!!  THAT SUCKS ASS COMPARED TO THIS!  JESUS, THE MEGALODON VERSUS THE ANCIENT SPERM WHALE!  THE NANOTYRANNO versus the teenage T-Rex- HOLY FUCK, BOY!  DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A GOLDEN AGE YOU LIVE IN!!!!  GAAAaaaaHHHHH"  And he goes back to playing with his magnets and ignoring his rambling idiot father.  But yeah, its the greatest thing to ever exist and I love it more that I love Hebrew National hot dogs.  Yes, I said it.  Oh GOD that show fucking rules.

WRESTLING:  I watched ECW and dug the Evan Bourne vs John Morrison though it got real Social Dance Wrestling quite a bit by the end there.  The main event was good and I assume Matt Hardy won because I still refuse to make accomadations for average US wrestling that continues to run long. I kinda zoned out on the rest.

The Larry Zbysko vs Bruno Sammartino match on WFF At MSG was awesome because- you who really fucking rules?  LARRY ZYBSKO.  The whole end section where it was basically Zbysko carrying the match by punching Bruno in the face and then getting out of the ring was about as awesome you will find no bullshit, hard edge wrestling.  The section where they kill about 8 minutes as Bruno tries to get back in the ring and Zbysko keeps kicking him to the floor was interesting in that it was a section of EVERY main event match I saw live from 1976 to 1982.  I'm guessing it fell out of favor when Flair came into prominence because it quickly died out and you never see it anymore.  I'm wondering what the story on that was.  I'm guessing it died out around the same time as the heel being peril for the first ten minutes of every tag match, being bested with scientific wrestling until finally just cheating to set up what we know as a Southern tag match now.

Zbysko rules.

I watched the first two minute of Afa vs Backlund and fell asleep. Tonight is the night! After college football!

TAKAholic~!

DEAN.

[Johnny Sorrow]

DEAN said:

"When IIIII WAS SIX, we had NOTHING. NOTHING. Look at those computer generated dinosaurs! Do you REALIZE what would have happened to me if this came on tv when I was your age?!?!? DO YOU!?!? MY ENTIRE BODY WOULD EXPLODE in a tiny child-size supernova of BLISS! LOOK AT THIS!! THIS WHOLE SHOW IS ABOUT DINOSAURS FIGHTING EACH OTHER?!?!? JESUS FUCKING FUCK, BOY! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?! We had the fuckin Land of the Lost! LAND OF THE FUCKIN LOST!!! THAT SUCKS ASS COMPARED TO THIS! JESUS, THE MEGALODON VERSUS THE ANCIENT SPERM WHALE! THE NANOTYRANNO versus the teenage T-Rex- HOLY FUCK, BOY! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A GOLDEN AGE YOU LIVE IN!!!! GAAAaaaaHHHHH"

I read that using the voice of Chong's father in the beginning of "Up In Smoke".

"BEND AND SCOOP! LIKE THE GOD DAMNED MEXICANS!"


(And, yes... JURRASIC FIGHT CLUB rules.)

[tomk]

I assume this is 4/21/80 Bruno v Zybsco from MSG that made the WWF 80s set. I really liked that match. The whole "king of the mountain" who controls the center really felt like I was watching RPW or a legit amateur match built on controling the center. And then there is my favorite weird Bruno match thing where he all of the sudden sells an arm  and does the whole "my arm is hurt so I have to rely on stomps and kicks". I can never figure out exactly when he hurts his arm but fuck once he starts kicking.

I want to say one of the Patera v Patterson matches was on the same MSG card. And to add to your earlier point, I want to say I really prefer the 78-82 finish where match just ends to the proto hot near falls finishing run. Sometimes the match ending by match just ending can leave me unsatisfied, but Bruno just going "fuck it I'm getting DQed" is a fine ending.

[DEAN]

tomk, on Sep 11 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

I assume this is 4/21/80 Bruno v Zybsco from MSG that made the WWF 80s set. I really liked that match. The whole "king of the mountain" who controls the center really felt like I was watching RPW or a legit amateur match built on controling the center. And then there is my favorite weird Bruno match thing where he all of the sudden sells an arm  and does the whole "my arm is hurt so I have to rely on stomps and kicks". I can never figure out exactly when he hurts his arm but fuck once he starts kicking.

I want to say one of the Patera v Patterson matches was on the same MSG card. And to add to your earlier point, I want to say I really prefer the 78-82 finish where match just ends to the proto hot near falls finishing run. Sometimes the match ending by match just ending can leave me unsatisfied, but Bruno just going "fuck it I'm getting DQed" is a fine ending.

It looks like the same card:
MSG 4/21/80
1. Larry Sharpe v. Mike Masters
2. Greg Gagne v. Jose Estrada
3. Ken Patera v. Pat Patterson (Patera wins the IC Title!)
4. Dominic Denucci v. Sika
5. Larry Zbysko v. Bruno Sammartino
6. Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood v. Bulldog Brower & Tor Kamada
7. Bob Backlund v. Afa
8. Hulk Hogan v. Renee Goulet
9. Andre the Giant v. Bobby Duncum

I can't wait to watch Hulk Hogan vs the degenerate (if I remember the sleaze thread correctly) Renee Goulet tonight.

[Pete]

DEAN, on Sep 11 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

tomk, on Sep 11 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

I assume this is 4/21/80 Bruno v Zybsco from MSG that made the WWF 80s set. I really liked that match. The whole "king of the mountain" who controls the center really felt like I was watching RPW or a legit amateur match built on controling the center. And then there is my favorite weird Bruno match thing where he all of the sudden sells an arm  and does the whole "my arm is hurt so I have to rely on stomps and kicks". I can never figure out exactly when he hurts his arm but fuck once he starts kicking.

It looks like the same card:
MSG 4/21/80
1. Larry Sharpe v. Mike Masters
2. Greg Gagne v. Jose Estrada
3. Ken Patera v. Pat Patterson (Patera wins the IC Title!)
4. Dominic Denucci v. Sika
5. Larry Zbysko v. Bruno Sammartino
6. Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood v. Bulldog Brower & Tor Kamada
7. Bob Backlund v. Afa
8. Hulk Hogan v. Renee Goulet
9. Andre the Giant v. Bobby Duncum

I can't wait to watch Hulk Hogan vs the degenerate (if I remember the sleaze thread correctly) Renee Goulet tonight.

Almost... this was the previous MSG show.

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WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980 (26,102 which included 4,000 in Felt Forum)
Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary
Bulldog Brower pinned Frank Williams at 8:53 with an elbow drop following a running back elbow
Kerry Von Erich pinned Jose Estrada at 10:49 with a sunset flip out of the corner (Kerry's MSG debut)
Tor Kamata pinned Mike Masters at 5:46 with a jumping kick and a kneedrop
Larry Zbyszko defeated Bruno Sammartino (w/ Arnold Skaaland) via disqualification at 15:31 when Sammartino failed to release a choke; Sammartino was eventually pulled away by Skaaland and referee Dick Kroll while Zbyzsko escaped
Afa pinned Dominic DeNucci at 9:42 with a jumping headbutt
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund pinned Sika at 18:32 after throwing the challenger off the top as Sika attempted a diving headbutt
Andre the Giant & WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson defeated Bobby Duncum & Ken Patera at 11:04 when Andre pinned Duncum with a splash as Patterson had Duncum in the figure-4
Rene Goulet pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna with a sunset flip at 6:11
Hulk Hogan pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana at 8:12 with a suplex and grabbing the tights for leverage; prior to the bout, Hogan was escorted to the ring by Freddie Blassie (Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology Wal-Mart exclusive 4th disc)

And here's the card Tom mentioned... note the results.

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WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - April 21, 1980 (20,000+)
Televised on the MSG Network
Larry Sharpe defeated Mike Masters at 8:11
Greg Gagne defeated Jose Estrada at 8:53
Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood defeated Tor Kamata & Bulldog Brower at 15:11
Sika defeated Dominic DeNucci at 9:27
Andre the Giant defeated Bobby Duncum at 13:11
Hulk Hogan defeated Rene Goulet at 3:14
Ken Patera defeated WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson to win the title at 20:48 with a knee drop off the middle turnbuckle to the champion's back; the referee, still groggy from a collision with Patterson moments prior, did not notice that the champion's foot was on the bottom rope during the cover (History of the Intercontinental Title, The Ken Patera Story)
Bruno Sammartino defeated Larry Zbyszko via count-out
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Afa at 16:34

(Thanks to the mighty Cawthon for these.)

[DEAN]

Ah, good work, young Pete.   I probably would have remembered the Choking While Foot Is Tied In The Ropes finish if I had seen it before.   Then again, I can't remember my middle name half the time.

[WrestlingPower]

Who was Mike Masters?

[rainmakerrtv]

Pete, on Sep 11 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

Hulk Hogan pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana at 8:12 with a suplex and grabbing the tights for leverage; prior to the bout, Hogan was escorted to the ring by Freddie Blassie (Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology Wal-Mart exclusive 4th disc)

With whom was Santana tag champ? I was unaware he held the tag belt before Strike Force.

[babylonianfrost]

rainmakerrtv, on Sep 12 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

Pete, on Sep 11 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

Hulk Hogan pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana at 8:12 with a suplex and grabbing the tights for leverage; prior to the bout, Hogan was escorted to the ring by Freddie Blassie (Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology Wal-Mart exclusive 4th disc)

With whom was Santana tag champ? I was unaware he held the tag belt before Strike Force.

Tony Garea, wasn't it?

EDIT:  Crap, it was Ivan Putski.  Sorry.

[Evil Otto]

Well, Tony Garea held the tag belts with Rick Martel, so you were pretty damn close.

Wow, the rest of that Shea card has me curious...Larry Sharpe?  Greg Gagne???  But more importantly, I really have to see Rene Goulet before he got over the hill.  Even in 1984, 85, he was still quite entertaining putting guys over, but I imagine he must have been pretty damn crafty in his actual heyday.

[J.H.]

Tito held the tag belts with Ivan Putski, if memory serves me correct... it seems odd to sacrifice one of your tag champs in a heel Hogan squash though...

James

[martysugar]

They sacrificed Tito to several people on their way up (Iron Sheik pops into my head immediately), before rewarding him with an Inter-Continental Title run.  Of course, the BIG reward came when they made him a bullfighter...

[Pete]

martysugar, on Sep 14 2008, 03:10 PM, said:

They sacrificed Tito to several people on their way up (Iron Sheik pops into my head immediately), before rewarding him with an Inter-Continental Title run.  Of course, the BIG reward came when they made him a bullfighter...

Eh, Tito doesn't have anything to be ashamed of. He had a long run with them, got a handful of titles, was protected more often then not and didn't get the joke gimmick until the end of his career. He's no Terry Taylor on the "WTF Were They Thinking" scale.

[Evil Antler God]

Yeah, the Flying Burrito was always one of the more protected finishers. Hell, it put down Warlord  ;)

[Log]

Whoa, Kerry Von Erich and Greg Gagne on a WWF show in 1980?  Must've been pre-Vince Jr.?

[happjack]

Log, on Sep 14 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Whoa, Kerry Von Erich and Greg Gagne on a WWF show in 1980?  Must've been pre-Vince Jr.?

Promoters used to pay a pretty penny to let their up and coming talent win a squash match at MSG.

[The Great ML]

happjack, on Sep 15 2008, 08:01 AM, said:

Log, on Sep 14 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Whoa, Kerry Von Erich and Greg Gagne on a WWF show in 1980?  Must've been pre-Vince Jr.?

Promoters used to pay a pretty penny to let their up and coming talent win a squash match at MSG.

How much are we talking about?
Not Otto Wanz $100,000 AWA Title -level here, are we?
I'd venture a guess as no.

[happjack]

The Great ML, on Sep 15 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

happjack, on Sep 15 2008, 08:01 AM, said:

Log, on Sep 14 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Whoa, Kerry Von Erich and Greg Gagne on a WWF show in 1980?  Must've been pre-Vince Jr.?

Promoters used to pay a pretty penny to let their up and coming talent win a squash match at MSG.

How much are we talking about?
Not Otto Wanz $100,000 AWA Title -level here, are we?
I'd venture a guess as no.

A few thousand bucks or maybe a bigger cut of the gate whenever Andre The Giant worked the promoters towns, since Vince Sr. booked Andre.

[The Great ML]

But what would be the purpose of having say, Fritz send Kerry or Kevin in 1980, or Florida sending Mike Graham in 1981 when WWF wasn't seen in those territories? And pay good money on top of that?

Just to say "The Von Erich's headlined Madison Square Garden!  They're in demand!" ??

[happjack]

The Great ML, on Sep 15 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

But what would be the purpose of having say, Fritz send Kerry or Kevin in 1980, or Florida sending Mike Graham in 1981 when WWF wasn't seen in those territories? And pay good money on top of that?

Just to say "The Von Erich's headlined Madison Square Garden!  They're in demand!" ??

That and they would get photo's of the match in the magazines which was a big deal at the time, remember MSG had a lot more cache back then.