We're a week out, so it feels like time for a new thread.

Mo Ryan is doing a multi-part interview with Darlton at her blog.

Same rules apply for this thread? No spoilers? Once it's aired it's fair game to talk about without spoilers? I know we've been over it time and time again, but I think it should be laid on early and on the first page.

Soooo pumped for this. I'm gonna have to watch the recap show before hand.

I'm pretty pump for this season. The last episode is going to be hyped to the 100 power. I can't even imagine it now but I anticipate disappointment, surprise, and confusion.

The only probably with spoilers is people who quote them to respond to them. Other than that don't click the box. Whatever though. I don't care either way. I'm going spoiler-free this season if I can help it.

CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I seriously might take off next Tuesday from work just to sit in front of my TV and wait. Okay not really. But I'll probably leave early.

I'm just finishing season 2 on my re-watch so I gotta speed it up it seems. One question remaining from season 2 though...

Is the psychic Claire saw a phony or not? He appears again in the Mr. Eko flashback from "?" and claims he is a fraud but he knew exactly what was going to happen to Claire.

Rob

I responded to that in the other thread. His meeting with Eko is within a day or two of his last meeting with Claire (don't think we know which was first). Since there's no way we're not learning more about Claire vis a vis the island this season, I would bank on some sort of Jacob or Man In Black visit to the fake psychic. They wouldn't have had the Eko flashback AFTER the Claire flashback if they weren't going to follow up on it, even if it would be several seasons later. It's too important a thread, especially now that we've seen Jacob's involvement in putting the other Oceanic passengers on the "right" path.

Speaking of dangling threads, does anyone have a link to the interview where Darlton explained Libby in the mental hospital (I believe being related to the fan guess that she was severely depressed after her husband's death)? Also, does anyone else find it weird that the lack of resolution to that storyline has been blamed on Cynthia Watros not wanting to come back even though she came back for cameos at the end of Season 2 and late in Season 4?

I don't think he's a fraud. I think he was saying all that so the Mr. Eko didn't meddle in their family business because later on his daughter approaches Mr. Eko in the line at the airport and knows everything about him, so there's definitely something going on there, but I believe that's one of those things where you have to draw your own conclusion.

EDIT: Or whatever Bix said.

Also, I am f'n PUMPED for this season. My wife is hooked, and we're motoring through season 3 right now. All of the early stuff in that episode is great, and I've got the hugest crush on Juliet. Watching this in retrospect makes me like her character even more. With a week to go, I don't know if we'll make it in time, which would suck because avoiding spoilers will be a nightmare. I definitely want to finish up everything with her prior to this season. We're at about a season a week it seems like, so we may only miss the first couple episodes.

I'm admiitedly pro spoiler, so I find it odd when people who don't want to be spoiled read threads before they watch something.

Funny, my wife came home and told me that they said Libby was really important. But that's pretty vague.

As for Claire, we now have this strange theory that Widmore was the one that put her on the path to the island. For whatever reason. I'm not sure other than we just realized that's very possible that Widmore is Aaron's grandpa.

Also, In the Season 2 DVD: Lost Connections Web, there's a silhouette figure that is connected to Jack, Claire and Christian. Has that been clarified as to who that is?

I love how, as I'm waiting for Season 6, I'm trying to clarify which mysteries are ones that are going to be solved and which ones have already been solved either vaguely or explicitly.

As far as people not watching the Eastern/Central feed go, if it's aired in the US & Canada at all, it's not a spoiler (For Lost at least, I'd argue otherwise for shows that air a day earlier in Canada). Just avoid the thread for a few hours, it's not hard. We shouldn't have to tag stuff that aired because some people are wildly impatient.

Had a brainfart about the daughter...I suppose it's possible SHE happened to be a psychic or that Jacob or MIB visited her when he visited her father if that's what happened.

No way Libby's story is done yet. Forget the fact she was in a mental hospital with Hurley - she gave Desmond (the "special" one according to Faraday) the boat he used to sail to the island with. No way that was just completely random.

I also think Kelvin will make some sort of return in season 6 since we never actually saw him die. I wonder if he just joined up with Richard's crew. (Or I could be just saying this b/c I happened to see his flashback episode yesterday)

We could also do with a flashback to why Razidnsky killed himself but that might be asking for too much.

My not so bold prediction for the first episode: The first scene will be a total fakeout. So if they are going back to where they started on the airplane from LAX, there will be a fakeout scene from the island and vice versa if the opposite is true.

Rob

If the actress that plays Libby isn't coming back, I'd say her storyline is finish, but I don't believe that's the case.

Well, Watros is coming back in some form, but the mental hospital thing won't be wrapped up.


We saw Desmond kill Kelvin. S2 finale, IIRC.

ABC is running a special text commentary version of "The Incident" right now (and in a few hours on the west coast).

They fought and Kelvin hit his head on the rocks but it was never clear if he died. As soon as Desmond saw blood he ran back to the hatch.

Rob

It was pretty clear in the episode (on TV and in movies, it's always a death if it looks like that) and Lostpedia lists him as dead.

Yep. If the first ep airs and it's the next day and I haven't watched it yet, there's no way in hell I'm going anywhere near the thread. It's just common sense.

Right now, I think this is the #1 thing I want to see (assuming it hasn't been yet):

How did the dharma initiative/the degroots/alvar hanso find the island?

Figures the Canadians get the worst promo vid for the next season.

Rob

I stopped watching Lost after the first part of season 3, not because I didn't like it, but because I missed a bunch of eps. I heard about all the craziness that followed and I wasn't interested. However, I've caught up and finished Season 5 on Netflix and oh my god this show is awesome. I can't wait til the premiere.

Faraday, Frank, & Miles are all great newer characters. Faraday is quite possibly my favorite character, right up with"The Constant" was a great piece of one hour television. So beautiful "LaFleur" might be my favorite overall just because of how it combined mythology and character development so well. It was so fun. And the Season 5 finale, just too awesome.

So yeah, I'm excited for everything coming up.

So did the enhanced version of the finale provide any new info? I was in and out. Noticed them mentioning Jacob touching everyone who was on Oceanic 815. Did the text say anything during Juliet's flasback where Jacob didn't appear? I also caught the part where it said Ben was telling the truth when he said he didn't know how the giant statue got destroyed.

Rob

The enhanced episode stuff isn't canon as it's not approved by Darlton et al. That said, I didn't catch anything other than the Jacob touch stuff which implied he touched all of the survivors.

Things I really want to have explained:

1) The smoke monster. What is it. Why does it kill some and not others
2) The Island.
3) Jacob and the Man in Black
4) Why is this story we are watching happening?
5) Claire
6) The people carrying Lockes body.

Obviously will be explained in some form.


As Damon Lindelof has said a lot lately, they don't want to get into "midichlorians territory." No "What is the island?" or "What are the numbers?" for "Were all of these people asking 'What is The Force?' after they watched the original Star Wars trilogy?" reasons. Would anything be a satisfying and/or interesting answer to those questions?

I for one would like an answer to the What is the island question. It doesn't have to be the midichlorian explanation it could be like the explanation that Obi-Wan gives Luke in Star Wars when Luke asks him what the force is. A vague enough reply that doesn't destroy the mystery but at least gives a hint at what the island is.

That being said, I'm really excited about this even though I feel that the show peaked with the season 3 finale.

Nah I don't need to know about the Island, I just accept it. I want (off the top of my head):
1) Widmore on the Island
2) To know why Ellie was in charge of the Lamp Post/why not Dharma
3) Who was the 'great man' who discovered the Lamp Post and the hypothesis for finding the Island
4) What the whispers are
5) More Jacob-ness

How about everyone's fave season seeing as most of us have done a rewatch?
* Season 3 - It's funny in that interview Bix posted how much they seem to slate Season 3 while saying that it's the best finale. I can maybe understand hating it if you watched it episodically/week by week but watching that season on DVD is great, it's such a crazy pace with not a lot happening then a break-neck speed of revelations all leading to what the majority of us though would happen in the final season - they're going to get rescued. Then the revelation that we haven't been watching a flashback but a flashforward was just... wow

* Season 1 - I just love how innocent the whole thing seem now and how mysterious it was, it was really great getting to be introduced to the characters and getting to know them. The Sawyer characterization cracks me up in hindsight though as it reminds me of the asshole with a heart of gold who works in Peter's office on one of the episodes of Family Guy

*Season 5 - It would've been interesting to have more episodes as it seemed like they had to really cram to get everything fit in. The time travel I didn't mind or find confusing unlike some and rewatching it it's really obvious that they are all being played (as Desmond pointed out when he saw them in the Lamp Post). Was kinda disappointed with the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham episode (especially Jack and Locke's confrontation seeing as those scenes are usually quite powerful and the stuff Locke said didn't add up with what Depressed Jack said they'd talked about) I'd put this finale just behind Season 3's as there were alot of 'holy shit' revelations and that end is crazy

*Season 2 - Introduction to Mr Eko is a bonus (and I will forever wonder what would have been different if he'd stayed on the show) but for the most part it's like nothing happens

*Season 4 - On rewatching this whole season just seemed like treading water to set up everything for, and get to, the fifth season. No major pay offs or anything interesting, just people wandering about, looking at sattelite phones and waiting around. Considering how the Widmore story played out too the whole thing just seems like a waste of time. Although the Constant always makes me tear up

Along with the above, it would be nice to receive an explanation about the wheel of time and how something like that is possible.

Also, this is going to sound really naive, but was there a large contingent of Star Wars fans who really wanted to know what the Force is? What the fuck is that all about? I don't think I ever questioned what the Force is, and just accepted it as some people have super powers and can use them for good or evil.

I don't think anybody wanted to know exactly, scientifically, what the Force is. Yoda's explanation in ESB was plenty good.

I just hate that so much time was dedicated to Walt early on for him to be basically left behind (in terms of plot). Honestly, I'm glad that they're away from the Dharma crew and the 70s, I found that a bit boring (while admittedly it was a clever way to get questions answered without being obvious).

Yeah but even then they hardly answered any BIG questions about Dharma which makes me look at it as a bit of a wasted opportunity

Yeah the Walt thing kinda sucks, I hope he ends up back this season too. He seemed like the most important thing in Season 1/2

From what I hear, the kid who plays Walt is pretty big now, so I'm doubting we'll see him at all this season.

Also, I quite enjoyed the Dharma/70's stuff.

What are the big questions about Dharma?

Haven't we gotten that already? I'm sure we'll get more, but it's a place on Earth that's not on the proper space/time continuum that has weird electromagnetic properties among other things that make it a place where miracles can happen. I mean yes, when you put in the frozen donkey wheel of time deep within the ground and imply it's not man-made, you should explain how it got there in some way, but aside from the stuff we can be sure we'll get an answer to, that's the only thing I could think of being left out of any explanations of the island's inner workings.

In the Rose/Bernard centric episode, the healer there basically said as much saying there's certain places on Earth where electromagnetic energy is more focused, and there's great healing properties to that. That's actually rooted in science (maybe more like pseudo-science) as an astro physicist buddy of mine talked about the theory that there are points on our planet where that energy is focused. It's obviously not proven or anything, but there's a lot of theories about it out there. Anyway, seeing as how there's other facets of Lost that are rooted in hard science fiction, that's explanation enough for the island. The only explanation I would want, like you said, is why is this chamber with a donkey wheel stuck in it buried so deep, why is it there to begin with, and what is this war with Widmore and Ben. Does Widmore have a sinister plan for the island, does he want it protected, why does Ben hate Widmore so much, etc. I tend to lean towards Widmore being a good guy, but you never know.

We're annoying?

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/fina...ost_promises_to

I think the only thing I actively demand to know is the whole "Aaron must be raised by Claire" thing. I don't know why that bugs me more than most things.

Also, if the bomb goes off and changes things so that they never come to the island, Ben never kills Jacob, right?

It's interesting, to me anyway, how this show has built up so many different expectations for so many different people, and how so many people have different questions they want answered. That's pretty cool and I can't think of another show that has done that. X-Files jumps to mind, but Chris Carter fucked over people so many times that things got to the point where it was far too convoluted for people to to care that much.

I'm not convinced the payoff to Lost will be as satisfying as The End was for the X Files.

A cobled together finale featuring a secret trial as a vehicle to do some dorky clip show crap ending with a shootout, the CSM getting smoked (SWIDT?), and a reference to 2012 is a satisfying end for the X-Files?

Um, what? If you say so...

That isn't the point. I said I didn't see Lost being any better because as good as this season will be, I can't see them ending it very well. I hope I'm wrong, but I see either a crappy cliffhanger or a really convoluted ending where Jack is somehow a hero.

I see what you're saying now. Yeah, that's possible, but Damon and Lindelof certainly seem like they're building to an actual finale, and I don't see the point in leaving off on a cliffhanger. We'll have to see.

And, dude, your signature is ginormous. Mind trimming that a bit?

It's actually embarrassing too, for reasons I won't go into. Done.

First 4 minutes of the season premiere is floating arounf online. Nothing huge, but man does it get me excited for Tuesday.

LOST on cover of this week's Entertainment Weekly.

WIN.

Jack will be the hero in the end and I will love it!

Rob

Comparison video of the 4min preview.

If that video is legit, and they go where I'm thinking they may go. I just hope they don't do the bookend ending and have it end on Jack's eyes having crashed in the jungle.

I finally went back and watched the episode where they discover Adam and Eve and the pouch with the black and white stones. That completely blew my mind, because Locke walks into the scene immediately after they pull out the stones. I mean, he literally appears over the top of them. And I'm thinking, "There's NO WAY they had it that planned out."