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The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale
December 5th, 2009
Pearl Concert Theatre – Las Vegas, NV




Ultimate Fighter 10 Finals: Roy Nelson vs. Brendan Schaub
Jon Jones vs. Matt Hamill
Houston Alexander vs. Kimbo Slice
Frankie Edgar vs. Matt Veach
Marcus Jones vs. Matt Mitrione
Darrill Schoonover vs. James McSweeney
Justin Wren vs. Jon Madsen
Rodney Wallace vs. Brian Stann
John Howard vs. Dennis Hallman
Mark Bocek vs. Joe Brammer
epwar
MAIN CARD
Roy Nelson (263) vs. Brendan Schaub (240)
Matt Hamill (206) vs. Jon Jones (206)
Houston Alexander (208) vs. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (212)
Frankie Edgar (155) vs. Matt Veach (155)
Marcus Jones (262) vs. Matt Mitrione (255)

PRELIMINARY CARD
James McSweeney (235) vs. Darrill Schoonover (254)
Jon Madsen (247) vs. Justin Wren (251)
Brian Stann (205) vs. Rodney Wallace (203)
Dennis Hallman (169) vs. John Howard (170)
Joe Brammer (155) vs. Mark Bocek (156)
BankHoldup
That prelim looks like a PFC card with heavier dudes. Best of luck to Schoovover too as he heads off to active duty after this fight. Best of luck overseas as well.
Rev
This has to be the first UFC card that uses Weird Al for ring music.
KingJames
QUOTE(Rev @ Dec 5 2009, 11:45 PM) *
This has to be the first UFC card that uses Weird Al for ring music.


Roy Nelson comes in as a heel, but enters as a face!
odessasteps
QUOTE(Rev @ Dec 5 2009, 11:45 PM) *
This has to be the first UFC card that uses Weird Al for ring music.


On a night of weird things (Hogan, Kimbo, bionic Elbow), that might be the weirdest.
goc
Yea, also came here to post that Roy's choice of entrance music was awesome.
KingJames
Buffer mis-spoke. Nelson's fighting style is Kung-food, not Kung-fu.
Cliff Hanger
That was a really weird, but generally enjoyable, card. Pretty disappointed that Mitrione won, but the combination of the weirdness and a couple of quite good fights made that a good one.
strobogo
I think in terms of appearances, and skills too really, this was one of the worst UFC cards since the first 10 or so shows. A bunch of out of shape, unskilled guys.

Man, that Kimbo fight sure was boring. Two guys only known for knock out bombs and the majority of the fight is circling and ground work. I'd love to have heard a live mic on Dana during that fight. Houston not changing even with way he circled or which leg he was kicking with was pretty stupid once he kept getting hit. Kimbo is going to get tooled like a motherfucker when he gets put in with a more technical fighter. He's just so stiff and awkward. It's obvious he's come a long way, but I can't see him lasting long against any of the even mid level heavies or light heavies.
JohnnyPolo
I loved seeing Kimbo channel Jumbo Tsuruta with that backdrop driver of sorts on Houston Alexander. Also, figured Roy Nelson would win the contract. I am a huge fan of his since first seeing him three years ago, and dug the music selection.

How does everyone think Nelson will do? Anyone actually see him having title potential, or is Lesnar(when healthy), Mir, Nogueira, Kongo, Velasquez, and Carwin above him in the food chain?

Frankie Edgar next in line for the winner of Penn/Sanchez, or is it Grey Maynard or Tyson Griffin's turn?

So, Liddell vs Ortiz for TUF 11 setting up Liddell/Ortiz III. Hmm... I think Tito wins this.
Kevin Wilson
My favorite part of the Kimbo fight was that Houston appeared to have a plan.... but didn't. He finally gets Kimbo down from the leg kicks, and he just stands there. Then he gets too close to Kimbo, Kimbo grabs his ankles and takes him down. I mean if you are going to do leg kicks to knock the opponent to the mat, shouldn't there be a plan for that too? I figured the judges gave the fight to Kimbo just for that.
MGFanJay
Weird night of fights, but a very eventful and exciting night. Seeing HULK HOGAN cut a promo on UFC TV was surreal, but awesome. Kimbo-Houston varied between either being incredibly exciting and electric between the fast action and the hot crowd and being a fight where just nothing happened. Rogan saved those segments by pointing out how ridiculous it looked, but man did that ever grind the show to a halt. Kimbo showed more here than in any other fight, doing a sick suplex, an attempted guillotine, and an attempted rear naked choke.

The Jones-Hammill fight was exciting, both for the fast action in it at times and the finish that saw Jones hit an illegal elbow, get a point deducted, THEN lose because Hamill couldn't continue. The win didn't do anything for Hamill, but the loss actually may have helped Jones since he didn't come off as mad outside of like one second when he had a huge WTF!? expression on his face.

Roy Nelson winning was no real surprise given his experience, but man did he ever just rule here. Buffer calling him a KUNG FU FIGHTER, coming out to ""Fat" by Weird Al, making fun of his weight, and yet STILL coming off as a bit arrogant due to how sarcastic he was after the fight. It was a good star-making night for him. The McSweeney fight sure started out great - with THE FIRST MINUTE being taken up by the pre-fight graphic, and the Penn-Sanchez interview being constantly interrupted by the director talking before and during it was bizarre. Very TNA-riffic stuff there. Maybe Dixie's just cursed.

Chuck and Tito being announced as coaches for the next season of TUF was slightly anti-climatic not because of who was announced, but because it came out of nowhere - they just built it up for a second and then reveal that Chuck's coming out of retirement. Seemed...a little underwhelming, but I'm sure video packages will rectify that issue later on.

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Brian Fowler
I'm not a big MMA fan, but I watched from the Slice fight on, flipping back and forth with the Texas/Nebraska game. Jones is amazing. Just amazing.
Paul K.
I hope the Fight Night they put up against RAW on 1/11 is only 2 hours... the 3rd hour made tonight's show drag, especially with a bunch of good college football going on to flip around to. 2 hours, 4 fights, have the tape of a prelim ready just in case, keep it tight.
TheDoctor
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?
epwar
This gif is your life now. Bow down to it.

Don
I'd rather wait for the .gif of Kimbo getting leg chopped
odessasteps
QUOTE(TheDoctor @ Dec 6 2009, 01:52 AM) *
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?


I prefer when it's called "the Dusty elbow" by meltzer and other combat sport types.
sprewell rimz
You know, Kimbo sucks, but my god does he leave his heart in the cage. HE GIVES IT HIS ALL.
stewie griffin
Could Dana's smile have been any less sincere as he was giving Roy his trophy?
epwar
Bloody Elbow with the ad win.


TheVileOne
Dana White's worst nightmare has come true. Roy Nelson is The Ultimate Fighter.
Mr. Papaya
Pretty decent but bizarre show.

Glad to see Edgar look good against Veach. Edgar is one of my favorites, I hope he gets a LW title shot soon.

The Kimbo suplex ruled. Alexander looked awful, UFC should cut him ASAP.

The Hamill-Jones fight was odd. 12-6 elbows are apparently actually pretty dangerous from what I've heard, due to all the force being on the relatively small elbow point.

Not surprised to see Nelson win and he was awesome.
SlickRickNoseTrick
Chico Ortiz is praying Chuck is more washed up than him, trying to get a cheap win to change 0-2. I hope Chuck has one more KO left in him. Please Chuck, make Tito come up with another phantom injury to use as an excuse.
thundercat
Kimbo/Houston was almost as good as Shogun/Coleman for my freak fight of the year. Honourable mention goes to Shivers/McSweeney.

Fuck you elitists if you can't appreciate a true battle to the end.
TheDoctor
I was betting on the coaches being Ortiz and Griffin so Tito could try and get a win back, but this makes even more sense. If the Griffin fight is any indication, Ortiz isn't totally washed up and Chuck could be in trouble. Unless you're of the mind that Griffin is dead in the water after the Silva embarassment.
KrisZ
And people want to talk about WWE being stale at the top

Liddell/Ortiz III

Really
arstal
QUOTE(KingJames @ Dec 6 2009, 04:48 AM) *
Buffer mis-spoke. Nelson's fighting style is Kung-food, not Kung-fu.


He needs some Space Opera Symphony for that to be the case.
Dirty Janchez
I marked when Kimbo was going for a RNC. Also the suplex of DEATH.

Glad to see Schaub get KTFO, something about this kid that annoys me...
goc
QUOTE(KrisZ @ Dec 6 2009, 01:57 PM) *
And people want to talk about WWE being stale at the top

Liddell/Ortiz III

Really

Except this is the UFC trying to find something to do with 2 older fighters who are pretty much washed up and can't fight with the better/younger guys in their division so they make them a sideshow act because they can still draw some money. Their fights are also spread 3 years apart each time which makes it a lot different than the way the WWE runs the same thing multiple times.
HacksawJimDutchin
Yeah this is UFC's version of Pride's Freakshow fights. It is actually a little bit better cause they were at least former top contenders.
throughsilver
QUOTE(TheDoctor @ Dec 6 2009, 06:52 AM) *
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?

I think it was a dreadful decision; just shocking. I just wish Hammil was able continue, so Jones'd have been able to get the victory that was due to him. Maybe it was some weird cosmic compensation for Bisping-Hammil, but the fact of the matter is Jones absolutely annihilated Hammil. Such an impressive performance, it pretty much justified the watching of the show. I want to see him against Griffin or Shogun.

McSweeney, from what I have seen on my TV screen, just seems like a scumbag. I'm no patriot, but I usually support Brits in fighting sports (for some reason). Not this time. In fact, as someone with Muay Thai experience, I usually like to see fellow Thai boxers win. Again, not with McSweeney. He seems good, but something about him makes me hate him. This whole season of TUF shone a spotlight on the negative side of MMA: bullying validated. Fortunately the finalists actually seemed like decent people, if smug in the case of the eventual winner.

Massive props to Edgar. I was fearing another Frankie-Maynard, but he really displayed impressive killer instinct in this one.
TheVileOne
I think Edgar's definitely earned himself a title shot with this win to face the winner of Penn/Sanchez. Considering that everyone says Edgar is nothing but an oversized featherweight and should drop down to 145, he has one of the best records of any of the lightweights in the UFC not to mention he decisively beat the former 155 champ who was a former contender at 170.

sprewell rimz
You remember Edgar lost to Maynard, right?
Rev
QUOTE(KrisZ @ Dec 6 2009, 10:57 AM) *
And people want to talk about WWE being stale at the top

Liddell/Ortiz III

Really


To be fair, UFC's had catastrophic luck with their main eventers the past month or two.
OlSchool1982
QUOTE(throughsilver @ Dec 6 2009, 02:16 PM) *
QUOTE(TheDoctor @ Dec 6 2009, 06:52 AM) *
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?

I think it was a dreadful decision; just shocking. I just wish Hammil was able continue, so Jones'd have been able to get the victory that was due to him.


Maybe he could have not used illegal shots to try and end it. If guys starting aiming for groin shots just to keep their opponent from continuing, it would be the same thing. He couldn't get Hamill to quit, so he went illegal. Justified DQ.
CodySave
Man, the people ripping on the Kimbo-Houston Alexander fight are nuts. How could you not be entertained by that? A ridiculously nasty suplex, a fat man trying to submit a tall dude on the ground, and various hard shots throughout.

Sure, the first round was nothing and they both looked exhausted at the end, but that fight had all kinds of interesting stuff in it.
Fat Spanish Waiter
The Bones DQ sucked purely because it was stupid and he shouldn't have done it. That said, he's had his first loss and it wasn't a brutal KO, so hopefully he goes onward and upward.
Rev
QUOTE(OlSchool1982 @ Dec 6 2009, 05:40 PM) *
QUOTE(throughsilver @ Dec 6 2009, 02:16 PM) *
QUOTE(TheDoctor @ Dec 6 2009, 06:52 AM) *
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?

I think it was a dreadful decision; just shocking. I just wish Hammil was able continue, so Jones'd have been able to get the victory that was due to him.


Maybe he could have not used illegal shots to try and end it.


It was an obvious accidental shot, as you can see by his reaction right after he hit it. I'm not willing to hate on Jones for a solitary elbow until people start hating on others using thumbs/fingers to the eye.


It was hilarious how Rogan was speaking his mind on the ridiculousness of the rule at the same time that it ended up finishing the fight.
TheVileOne
QUOTE(sprewell rimz @ Dec 6 2009, 05:29 PM) *
You remember Edgar lost to Maynard, right?


Maynard turned down a title shot because he wanted more experience and he took a fight with Diaz. The Penn/Sanchez fight is happening this weekend. Maynard/Diaz is happening after that.

Edgar has won 3 straight fights, one of which was the former champion of 155, and is 6-1 in the UFC overall. The rumor was he would get a title shot against Penn/Sanchez winner provided he beat Veach and beat Veach impressively. Well, he did that.
sprewell rimz
Edgar's not going to jump Maynard for a title shot.
TheVileOne
QUOTE(sprewell rimz @ Dec 6 2009, 09:17 PM) *
Edgar's not going to jump Maynard for a title shot.


Why? Because Maynard's going to beat Diaz?
throughsilver
QUOTE(Rev @ Dec 7 2009, 02:13 AM) *
QUOTE(OlSchool1982 @ Dec 6 2009, 05:40 PM) *
QUOTE(throughsilver @ Dec 6 2009, 02:16 PM) *
QUOTE(TheDoctor @ Dec 6 2009, 06:52 AM) *
Regarding the Jones DQ, did anyone hear the little blurb by Joe Rogan about why "12 to 6" elbows are illegal? Something about the Nevada State Athletic Commission seeing a demonstration of someone breaking wood or ice using that motion, and deciding the motion was "too lethal" for MMA? Rogan himself sounded like he thought the rule was bull, and I'm kinda wondering why only one angle of elbow would be deemed illegal myself. I understand the back/top of the head rule, but I figure the angle shouldn't matter. Anybody else have any thoughts on this, or maybe some more justification for the rule?

I think it was a dreadful decision; just shocking. I just wish Hammil was able continue, so Jones'd have been able to get the victory that was due to him.

Maybe he could have not used illegal shots to try and end it.

It was an obvious accidental shot, as you can see by his reaction right after he hit it. I'm not willing to hate on Jones for a solitary elbow until people start hating on others using thumbs/fingers to the eye.

It was hilarious how Rogan was speaking his mind on the ridiculousness of the rule at the same time that it ended up finishing the fight.

Further to that, McSweeney landed tons of 12-6ers on the same show and merely got lightly spoken-to. It's demented that 45 degrees of rotation on an elbow should mean the difference between a win and a loss, especially when the rule is not uniformly administered.
Novacain


Ow.
DeMysteriisDomCanuckus
QUOTE(Novacain @ Dec 7 2009, 12:03 AM) *


Ow.


Somewhere, Steve Williams is smiling.
BELANGIA
QUOTE(sprewell rimz @ Dec 7 2009, 12:17 AM) *
Edgar's not going to jump Maynard for a title shot.



I don't see why not. Their fight was nearly two years ago and Edgar just beat Franca, Sherk, and Veach all decisively. Plus you have the difference of Maynard saying how he needs a few more fights before he fights for the title and Edgar saying "I want a title shot" after he just won. This is the UFC. If we've learned anything about how they do business it's that title shots aren't anyone's right and are certainly not written in stone. Edgar getting a shot before Maynard wouldn't be the least bit surprising and it'd be hard to argue that Edgar didn't deserve it based on a loss to Maynard four fights ago based on what he's done since then.
TheDoctor
I agree with glfpunk, and besides that, Edgar is pretty clearly the hottest and most improved fighter in the division at this point. Plus if he does pull off the win, they have a ready made storyline to toss into Maynard getting his title shot against a champion Edgar.
Mr. Papaya
If Edgar gets the shot I'm going to be rooting for him a lot even though his chances are low.
thundercat
Maynard is claiming he's inexperienced only because he'd rather not fight Penn. Gray helped BJ train in Hawaii for the Joe Stevenson fight a few years back. Not that they are great friends or anything, Gray just knows he's got no shot in this.

Besides, Diaz will sub him again.
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