That is absurdly awesome.



Fuck that. Roy is a Neanderthal. Jim is swift and clever, Roy is the type of guy who'd throw one punch and then be completely befuddled over what to do as a follow up if the guy ducked. Not to mention the fact that the ENTIRE office would probably rally to arms if anyone came off as abrasive or threatening towards Pam. Or, at the very least, Dwight would leap into action as the unofficial protector of all things related to Dunder Mifflin. Roy is just another foe for Jim to outwit.

Anybody catch Roy offering Angela a drink when he announced that he was buying? Good stuff and a fun callback to season two.

"Who's the blonde.....that tight-assed Christian chick?"

"My name is Angela"

"Heyyyyyy Angela. Roy. Nice to meet you."

Incredible episode.

OH SHIT! Lets hope Jim can fight because Roy is so coming for him. What a great way to end the episode.

Oooh I don't like Pam anymore. Now I really don't want her to get back with Jim.

yeesh I wasn't expecting them to go in that direction w/ the Roy character; I like it though.

There was a certain aspect to the show that I thought was cool in that 1/2 way through I was figuring that it was going to be one of those episodes in which they sort of push the stories along a little and deliver the comedy, and then BAM! the ending comes...

Now, here's the shitty part; I just checked out the NBC board for the Office (and that was such an odd experience of fandom) and from what I understood, there will be no new episodes for 6 WEEKS. Next week is the re-run of the branch closing, and then I guess 5 more repeats until we get closure.

Care to explain? What did she do in this episode that turned you off?

She fucked Jim over by telling Roy.

"Is this about what happened in the bathroom? There was no where to cuddle"

What? That makes no sense to hold off six weeks for the next episode. I can see maybe two, but six is too much.

I'm torn on Dwight tonight. I can't help but think that he was too much in checking every bit of the house. It just seemed like too much insanity for something Dwight normally wouldn't do.

I really loved Pam was so determined to be honest and have a backbone. I'm sure after Roy's blowup that she might not be like that. But regardless, it was refreshing to see that.

I can see Pam remaining assertive, telling off Roy, possibly leading to him being fired for endangering her with his rage, and will then tell Jim exactly how she feels about him in the season finale, possibly leaving her being broken hearted like he was this year if Jim decides to stay with Karen. Tonight's development with Karen and her ex (well, what little I saw of it due to the power outage) could eaisly throw some twists into their relationship. I can see Pam's honesty inspiring Jim to tell Karen that he still loves Pam, leading to Karen either quitting or joining up with Roy to spite Pam and Jim.

There should be at least one awkward date between Pam and Toby first.

"Don't you have a daughter?"

Well they only have 5 or 6 episodes left to run through, I believe. And they have to save some for May sweeps. It does suck, but it did seem like they were running through the new episodes awfully quickly this year. This was a brilliant episode to have as the cliffhanger though. Nobody is going to forget about The Office because it's gone for six weeks now. Big fans of the show are probably already clearing their schedule for that Thursday night.

Karen said she was just messing with him and never went out with any of the guys she said she did.

Rob

Okay episode, but there was too much of Michael being an idiot without really suffering in the end for it. When they do an episode like that, it needs to end like "Health Care" with Michael just completely humiliated in the final shot as penance for his earlier doucheness.

They're starting to tread a little too closely to "Brent" territory where Michael becomes more irritating and unlikeable than a good natured buffoon.

I'm a little disturbed by Jan's character meltdown. She's gone from a beautiful, strong woman going through a fairly typical career/family-choice rough patch to someone indulging some rather severe issues.

Of course, Jim and Pam did conjecture way back that there could be no coming back from sex with Michael.

Ah, so that's what happened... that could lead to some interesting stuff theoretically (like Jim being offended that she'd do something like that to him), but I'll wait until I can see the full episode to judge that part of the episode any further.

She told him it was a joke and he laughed. Then she said he was her "first" and he got all shocked... so she said "gotcha" and they both laughed, then he walked away smiling. Just two people who like each other having some fun.:) Too bad Jim will die in 6 weeks.

Rob

I think that's the least of their problems now that the whole kiss thing is out in the open...he didn't tell her about that, did he?

Plus, with each little misstep, Toby learns a valuable strategic lesson in Beasely relations. Like Joshua in Wargames...

That Jan talking head in the opening third might be my favorite moment of the season so far, even more than Michael kissing Oscar. When she said "The downside is I collapse and fall in on myself like a dying star" I laughed so hard I fell off my bed.

Six weeks until BeesleyMania: The Cage Match?! Why does God hate me? I want to see Jim get punched in the face now, dammit!

I'd mark out so bad if Jim found out about the fight in advance and just charged Roy right when he stepped into the office only to fall victim to the SPINEBUSTER! Shame there are no wrestling fans on the writing staff.

Rob

Way to go Office writers, I guess you've got to keep the "Jam" fan girls happy.

Pretty great cliffhanger. I can't wait to see what happens next, which is pretty rare for a comedy. Not the funniest episode, but there was enough going on that it was a good one. The "that's what she said" stuff was the best part.

I like that Toby barely spoke, considering that Paul Lieberstein (the actor who plays Toby) wrote the episode.



Haven't you ever seen this picture?




--S.

I'm surprised at this reaction. Probably the most depressing episode of The Office so far. Roy's meltdown was some of the scariest shit I've seen on television.

Exactly. Pam should have known better than to drop that on Roy like that. After a night of drinking games in a bar with his jackass brother. What could she have been expecting? And even then, didn't she know Roy well enough to know that, even if he didn't want to leave her, he'd try and "kill" Jim?

It was a bit much. And Karen's a better catch, anyway.

Six weeks, eh? That sucks.

Akin to Dan Conner destroying the living room while fighting with Roseanne, the fianl shot was just a slow camera crawl over the carnage

Some great, cringe inducing moments last night -

Michael blurting out "Jan and I are lovers" immediately after being greeted was just classic.
Signing the " Love contract " with the "heart" dot over the "i"
Dwight inspecting the house was a bit over the top, but not really out of character for him.

Michael's reverse logic on why arriving early to a party automatically makes you close friends was great.

I'm Roy and I'm a Rage- aholic.

What was that drinking game anyways where they hid the quarters?

I think it was that one person had a quarter and then they had to slam their hands down (thus the guessers speculating where they heard the sound). Each person guesses where the quarter is and who ever is wrong drinks.

I think the reason Pam told Roy was because he made fun of her about how easy it was to see through her, that he knows her so well. And by telling Roy this secret she had something over him. But it backfired and now Jim dies. I did laugh about how Roy's brother jsut started wrecking the place when Roy got angry. No reason, he just felt like trashing the place with his brother. That's good family.

I didn't think it was clear that she was joking about all of them, although she probably was.

The thing that will be interesting to me is how soon they follow up this episode, especially with the 5 week break. The show is done relatively in real time, so I doubt the next new show will just start up the day after this one.

I'm kind of surprised at THAT reaction. When Roy's brother had a chair in his hand about one nanosecond after Roy started throwing shit, I started to laugh.

And there was too much funny stuff (Jan's inadvertent "that's what she said", Dwight waking up the kid, the magic trick at the beginning) to qualify it as depressing.

Am I crazy for not wanting Jim and Pam to get together at this point? Right now there are three relationships on the show more interesting than I think any Jim/Pam relationship would be (Dwight/Angela, Michael/Jan, and even Jim/Karen). There's a reason that Tim and Dawn didn't get together until the Christmas special - because once they got together, there was nowhere for the relationship to go. The chase is more interesting than the actual payoff can possibly be. With The Office being renewed through next year, I really hope they don't listen to the insane fangirls and keep Jim and Pam apart, because the show, and even their own friendship, is more interesting without it.

Wouldn't Jim and Pam getting together be the final episode of the show? Isn't that the premise of the show? Thats the end ultimate pay off, what is the point of continuing after that?

For those who don't like Pam anymore, you are nuts. There is no way things were going to work out with Roy if she kept that secret. She wanted it to work, and needed to be honest for it to happen.

Yes, she did, but that was the worst timing ever.

Roy's brother was awesome, though.

There's no reason why they should go for the same ending as the original series.

I, for one, am mildly interested in seeing the nuts and bolts of a Jim/Pam romance in the show.

That said, I'm all for Team Karen right now.

I've never seen the original show, so I can not comment.

See that was the problem with shows like Friends. After a few seasons when Ross and Rachel got together, the show fell apart. There was no point to keep watching it, we got what we wanted.

The story of the show is Jim and Pam, once they get together the show is over. Its quite simple.

Its like if The Wizard of Oz continued after Dorthy came home for another hour. Its utterly pointless.

Really cause I would argue some of the best stuff in Friends history was when they didn't rely on the whole Ross/Rachel thing.

I watched till Ross and Rachel got together. Tried to keep watching, but once they broke up the first time I'd had enough. I've only seen bits and pieces of the show after that. From what I saw the show was horrid from there.

It may had been better in the later years when they ignored Ross and Rachel, but by that point the show was kind of silly. I started watching and the whole show was subtley and slowly building towards Ross and Rachel, but once that happened why keep watching? Its like they changed the story mid-story.

Ross and Rachel sucked. Chandler Monica was more interesting.

Where were Kelly and Ryan lastnight?

The thing with Friends is that there was more to care about than Ross and Rachel. I know I was more of a Chandler and Joey (and later "single Ross") kinda guy. That's why I kept watching and that's why I'm with HebrewHammer when he says the best stuff is in they're mid-run when they didn't solely rely on the pretty dull Ross/Rachel storyline...there are four other MAIN characters to write funny stuff for.

You can kinda apply the same stuff as above for "The Office". Other viewers will keep watching the show if Pam and Jim get together cause they're more into Michael or Dwight's antics.

As for me, I'm with ya though. I'm not sure how "The Office" would go on after Jim and Pam got together cause, as opposed to Ross and Rachel, the Pam/Jim storyline is indeed the one I'm most invested in.
I didn't care about the twists and turns the Ross/Rachel relationship cause they weren't what I was watching the show for but I would hate it if they did the same with "Jam".

Anyway, I trust the writers. We'll see. I'll keep watching anyway.



That too.

Agreed. I think another apt comparison is Cheers. Cheers worked so well because Sam wanted Diane. Once Diane and Sam got together, they made it work by then making it so they couldnt stand each other. In hindsight, what saved the show was Shelly Long leaving the show, because that gave them a fresh angle to work with Sam falling off the wagon and selling the bar. It was hard to figure out, but as Norm pointed out in the last episode, Cheers was the story of Sam and his true love - the bar.

The Office is about Jim and Pam, but also about Michael's love of Dunder Mifflin and his mission to be loved and accepted. If Jim and Pam do get together, that is the climax, and after that the series is only about Michael. While that could be entertaining and work, it is a crapshoot as far as if they can pull it off. And honestly, for it to have a chance in hell of wokring Jim and Pam would probably both have to leave the show. But honestly, with Dunder Mifflin being a failing business, I think it is more likely that everyone loses their jobs before Jim & Pam get together.

Karen is crazy. It's subtle, but it's there.

There's a deleted scene from last week's show where she's about to throw away the flyer for Pam's art show to keep Jim from seeing it (after she glances over at Jim and Pam) before Oscar walks into the kitchen.


--S.

I like Friends, but I'd really not like to compare it to the likes of Office even if it is "will they/won't they" mostly because I'd really like Pam/Jim not to be so obvious and be SO drawn out.

And Roy's brother joining in was amazing. I didn't see Kevin's balled up fist, but I'm downloading it off of torrents and I'm definitely gonna re-watch it for that moment. That whole scene was great though and the best part had to be Pam not even entertaining the thought of trying to calm him down and just leaving saying they're over.

This thread will never be able to compliment Creed and his antics enough. The similarities between him and Dwight are actually kind of scaring me by now to the point where I can see Dwight in his 60s eating mung bean sprouts.

I don't really understand the Jet Skis thing since I was trying to explain Pam/Roy/Jim to a friend and his girlfriend when Roy originally said it. Why was his brother tired and gonna get drunk? Why did Pam say sorry about the Jet Skis when he came into the bar? Just kinda of lost on that one.

Deleted scenes are up to. Thank God we got a Meredith moment. "Come here much?" Don't really get why Oscar being gay would matter to him going to the bar, but I did like him bonding with Angela weirdly.

Basically he had to sell the Jet Skis for some reason - "he really took a bath on that one", to quote Roy. That's why they were going to go out and get hammered together until Pam roped them into the office Happy Hour. And then they destroyed the bar and Roy's brother had to use all the money to pay the bartender off.

As far as getting Pam and Jim together, my stance is simple. This show has some of the best writers on television. They can make it work. Unless we're bashed over the head with it, they probably will make it work. You can only drag out a "will they or won't they" for so long until people lose interest, and since The Office is going to be around for at least one more season, they might as well pull the trigger now and find new creative avenues to go down.

If The Office was a lesser show, there would sure-as-shit be a paternity angle between Creed and Dwight.

Ah, I could have sworn he said "he just took a bath and he's really tired," but again, I was half-listening.

But then at the bar, Pam told Roy's brother "Sorry about the jet skis." and the brother had no idea what she was talking about, while Roy tried to switch the topic and offered to buy drinks for everyone. In other words, Roy wasn't being honest with Pam. They were going out to celebrate how much money Roy's brother had made by selling the jet skis.

Edited to add: Am I the only one who thinks this show could really hold up as a 1hr comedy?

No, I believe it definatley could. If you listen to the commentary on the season 2 DVDs, the cast and writers do as well. They seem a little bit frustrated that they only get 22 minutes to tell a story. I'm pretty sure they tape at least 45 minutes to an hour worth of stuff for each episode, which would explain why there are so many quality deleted scenes.

Problem then is they'd have to switch nights since I can't see Earl, Scrubs or 30 Rock being taken off to free up 30 extra minutes.

Rob