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sydneybrown


Michael gets engaged to Pam's mom only for Holly to interrupt the ceremony in a season ending cliffhanger.

Seriously, if that actually happens, I'll be excited and disappointed at the same time.

BTW, since Holly was brought up, I saw Dan in Real Life the other day and it's really weird seeing Steve Carrell and Amy Ryan in scenes together. Since I was rooting for them to hook up instead.


Nathan Davis
NBC has already put up 4 desktop wallpapers for the wedding, including one with Michael's painting of Jim & Pam. Hilarious.

As for a Season 6 finale, I'm not sure what else you can do if not Holly's return. Jim & Pam are all finished. Michael has already parted ways with the company and returned. Dwight & Angela reuniting could be a subplot.
TimLivingston
"I bought those boat tickets the day that video came out on YouTube."

I fucking lost it. What an awesome wedding episode. The last 10 minutes were money.
Stuttsy
QUOTE(PaulS @ Oct 8 2009, 10:14 PM) *
Michael: "I like moms. Soccer moms, hockey moms, any kind of mom."

Pam: "Not my mom."

Michael: "Too late, Pam."


When was that said? I missed it.

Loved the episode, thought the last 10 minutes was really sweet. What a bizarre cold open. Very un-Office like.

But even if I didn't like anything else, seriously, Dancin' Stanley Hudson rules everything.
Nathan Davis
QUOTE(Stuttsy @ Oct 9 2009, 03:58 AM) *
QUOTE(PaulS @ Oct 8 2009, 10:14 PM) *
Michael: "I like moms. Soccer moms, hockey moms, any kind of mom."

Pam: "Not my mom."

Michael: "Too late, Pam."


When was that said? I missed it.

Loved the episode, thought the last 10 minutes was really sweet. What a bizarre cold open. Very un-Office like.

But even if I didn't like anything else, seriously, Dancin' Stanley Hudson rules everything.


It wasn't. It was re-imagining the scene when Roy asked Jim if he was going to ask out Katy in the first season and Jim said he wasn't into "that type".
Mushroomjones
Anyone want to link the YouTube video that inspired the ending deal?
el Jefe
I popped for the tucked in wolf shirt and the fact that Dwight has game.
BankHoldup
QUOTE(el Jefe @ Oct 9 2009, 07:06 AM) *
I popped for the tucked in wolf shirt and the fact that Dwight has game.


Yeah, that shirt was pretty epic, and it being tucked in was even better. I will say this, someone has some type of complex because they gave Dwight a ton of game for how weird he is.

Oh, and no mention of the Creed moment? For years, Creed has been this strange guy who says strange things, and finally, Michael did something that made him give the "What the fuck?" face.
offspring515
QUOTE(sydneybrown @ Oct 9 2009, 12:03 AM) *
QUOTE
The first half was fantastic stuff (outside of the disgusting cold open), the second half was pretty pedestrian and a little boring.


Jim and Pam on the boat is going to be a hard moment to top this season, and I thought it was really weird that it would air now and not be a season ender. But it was a really awesome sequence.

This was also the first episode where the Andy-Erin dynamic began to interest me. If they can keep Andy a real human being and not a sitcom character, this could end up being a really sweet plotline. (And FWIW, not sure if Erin was meant to show as much as she did during her little dance down the aisle.)

I really enjoyed most of tonight's episode. The vomiting cold open was really weak and so un-Office-like. Kinda sad to see the show recycle a bit from a mid 90's SNL sketch.

And the "horny old mom" bit has been done to death, I really hope there is a fresh pay-off to Michael sleeping with Pam's mom.


I should mention that while I though the second half wasn't as good, the on the boat shots were terrific. On an unrelated note, in a show that is big on continuity isn't it odd that Pam's mom was played by a different actress?
Bigelow34
I think they will call back to Michael's speech at the company picnic last year. He said that this year, Holly was with someone and he wasn't and that maybe another year, Michael would be someone and Holly wouldn't. Like was said above, Michael will quickly propose to Pam' mom...Holly breaks it off with her dude and shows up in the finale and that will set up next year.
Mushroomjones
The tucked in Three Wolf Shirt and the belt made the outfit.

The Creed moment was still eating while everyone puked. Gold.
Dank
I'm surprised that what's his name that always goes to the trouble of posting screen caps for some reason hasn't posted Erin's bare ass yet.
Mushroomjones
QUOTE(Dank @ Oct 9 2009, 09:06 AM) *
Erin's bare ass


Did I blink and miss this? What's wrong with me?
Dank
I dunno. I think it was her bare ass. I frame advanced that shit.

When she was dancing up and down the aisle with Andy her dress kicked way up.

Yes, it's as if I've never seen a bare ass before.
Stuttsy
QUOTE(offspring515 @ Oct 9 2009, 08:28 AM) *
QUOTE(sydneybrown @ Oct 9 2009, 12:03 AM) *
QUOTE
The first half was fantastic stuff (outside of the disgusting cold open), the second half was pretty pedestrian and a little boring.


Jim and Pam on the boat is going to be a hard moment to top this season, and I thought it was really weird that it would air now and not be a season ender. But it was a really awesome sequence.

This was also the first episode where the Andy-Erin dynamic began to interest me. If they can keep Andy a real human being and not a sitcom character, this could end up being a really sweet plotline. (And FWIW, not sure if Erin was meant to show as much as she did during her little dance down the aisle.)

I really enjoyed most of tonight's episode. The vomiting cold open was really weak and so un-Office-like. Kinda sad to see the show recycle a bit from a mid 90's SNL sketch.

And the "horny old mom" bit has been done to death, I really hope there is a fresh pay-off to Michael sleeping with Pam's mom.


I should mention that while I though the second half wasn't as good, the on the boat shots were terrific. On an unrelated note, in a show that is big on continuity isn't it odd that Pam's mom was played by a different actress?


The original Pam’s mom, Shannon Cochran, is touring with the Broadway play “August: Osage County.”
mykill
I took this with my camera phone last night:

MGFanJay
Watching the wedding fall apart was awesome stuff. Jim being the one that blew the reception was a nice twist. Andy stealing Jeff Jarrett's orange pants amused me, as did his nasty injury doing the splits...and tearing his sack with his car keys. Kevin and Oscar being mistaken as a manly beyond my wildest expectations couple ruled, as did Kevn's ever-so-stylish Kleenex boxes for shoes after his first ones were incinerated due to being a health hazard. Erin and Andy bonding due to his injury was sweet, and I like that she seems to be taken to him because he's emotional.

I never saw the Youtube video that inspired the wedding dancing, but I want to - that was an awesome scene that helped the wedding really stand out. As did the ass shot of Erin during it. My God that ruled. Michael hooking up with Pam's mother is certainly a twist I wasn't expecting, and it was nice to see him find happiness, and to see her smile after losing her husband to that hot young blonde. This was my favorite ep of the season, and it's a definite series classic. We got Michael in a new relationship, Dwight possibly in one, Erin and Andy being kind of a couple, Ryan and Kelly reuniting, and of course, Pam and Jim being married.

Also this -
Kevin - This is the best wedding I've ever been to. I GOT SIX NUMBERS! One more and I would have had a complete phone number!





Victator Deluxe
Anybody else notice the striking resemblence between toupee Kevin and Gabe Saplosky?
Nathan Davis
Yeah did I miss something where Ryan and Kelly got back together again? They were all over each other last night.
PaulS
QUOTE(Nathan Davis @ Oct 9 2009, 03:10 AM) *
QUOTE(Stuttsy @ Oct 9 2009, 03:58 AM) *
QUOTE(PaulS @ Oct 8 2009, 10:14 PM) *
Michael: "I like moms. Soccer moms, hockey moms, any kind of mom."

Pam: "Not my mom."

Michael: "Too late, Pam."


When was that said? I missed it.

Loved the episode, thought the last 10 minutes was really sweet. What a bizarre cold open. Very un-Office like.

But even if I didn't like anything else, seriously, Dancin' Stanley Hudson rules everything.


It wasn't. It was re-imagining the scene when Roy asked Jim if he was going to ask out Katy in the first season and Jim said he wasn't into "that type".



It's from The Hot Girl where Jim is asked what his type is with both Pam and Katy right there. Kevin is the guy who brings up his mom.

I rewatched the episode later on last night, and was in a bad mood because of work and a Red Sox loss. It was a great decision, because the episode really cheered me up. I had forgotten all the moments of brilliance in the first half of the episode (like Oscar DEMANDING an apology from Pam's sister for thinking he and Kevin were a couple, and "She's a dental hygenist from Carbondale, and makes love like one.") Now that I get the wolf shirt thing, I think it is awesome and hilarious. Someone like Dwight would read that Amazon review and take it at face value.

Also, I feel really bad about now liking a Chris Brown song.
PaulS
QUOTE(Nathan Davis @ Oct 9 2009, 05:44 PM) *
Yeah did I miss something where Ryan and Kelly got back together again? They were all over each other last night.


They are all over each other at the slightest opportunity because they are both really really damaged people. There was some ep from season 3 where in the outtakes, they show some really fucked up Kelly and Ryan stuff. Kelly thinks Ryan didn't get her a present for something, and throws it in the dumpster, and later on goes diving for it with Ryan offering to help and her crying and telling him not to. Really, they're perfect for each other.
CM FUNK
I'd never seen or heard of that youtube video before. I'm shocked that something that had like 15 million views and was well known enough to be parodied in this fashion was completely under my radar, and I know I can't be the only one. Hell, I don't think I'd ever even heard that song before, or at least not enough to recognize it.

It's kind of weird that there's this whole other side of internet pop culture which apparently I am not in touch with at all.

Then again, the wolf shirt joke is like a decade old and beyond played out as far as I'm concerned, so I may not be the target audience here
delacroix
i don't know, maybe i'm a killjoy, but the episode was just pathetic to me. jim's brothers, who before were obnoxious todd packer-esque jackasses, are now michael scott-level morons? it seemed simply unbelievable to me that everyone would conspire to sabotage the wedding in that way. it wasn't funny because it didn't seem at all natural. i can see jim thinking michael might ruin the wedding somehow, but if he's anticipating that the entire wedding party is going to want to turn the wedding into a joke from youtube, i'm just not seeing it. i mean, it's their wedding. only one sister objected? everyone in this world is comically stupid except jim and pam? (well, one guy was wearing kleenex shoes)

the problem is they're just making these big moves with the characters that don't necessarily make any sense. dwight is just suddenly a ladykiller? why? how does that make sense with what we've seen before? it's just like they thought to themselves, "what if dwight just went to the wedding and was a pimp? that would be funny." and it could have worked, if they hadn't completely undermined the character they created to make it happen. couldn't they have had the girl be a little off, to explain why she's so interested in dwight? then they could have had dwight be the same way, which adds to his character without contradicting it. and angela, after boning dwight for like two years, and having that whole big thing with andy and dwight, is now more obnoxiously and aggressively prudish than ever, with no explanation or transition? they do stuff like that all the time now.

the show really lost it, to me, after season three. that's when jim and pam became irritating (they have these constant obstacles and challenges, but jim just does something cute or sweet and we realize, again, that they are perfect for each other) and michael became an unbelievable moron ("i declare BANKRUPTCY!"). michael was funny before because his defining characteristics were that he was insecure and selfish, which caused him to behave so stupidly and inappropriately. but in season four it was like they changed his character to foreground the stupidity, so he was just doing these idiotic things because he was borderline retarded. they've dialed that back a little bit since last season, but it's still too much. before, when michael would show glimpses of being an awesome salesman, it would work, because it wasn't unbelievable that he could be good at something. (i'm thinking specifically of the episode where he makes out with jan, when they find the screenplay in his desk. the idiocy of 'michael scarn' and his surprisingly masterful handling of the potential client somehow and his clumsy, overeager behavior in the situation with jan all feel natural and believable for this character) now when he gets his moments to shine it feels inauthentic, like how could a guy who is so dumb he thinks hopping a freight train is a viable solution to his financial problems be that adroit at anything? and what the hell happened to pam's art, anyway? why does she want to work in sales? did they even have a moment where she found she liked it, or was good at it? why does she need to give up her thing for the relationship? (oh, that's right, because she wanted to) she just sits at a different desk now.

i'm just complaining. my girlfriend swears the show is better than it's ever been. the wedding was her favorite episode. but then, she would watch if the whole show was just pam making eyes and jim and jim giving bemused looks to the camera. the stuff with andy and erin was good. i hope that becomes a focus, because jim and pam are beyond played out.
Victator Deluxe
I think if they had done a straight forward wedding I would of vomited. I for one fully support the show as it becomes a full on cartoon.
Robert
Yeah, maybe next time they decide to parody a youtube video they can let the viewers know in advance so we can check it out ourselves and actually understand what is going on rather than sit there all confused. I felt like the average WCW fan who had no idea why a mid-carder like Shane Douglas was suddenly cutting a promo on the legend Ric Flair.

I got into the show for the Jim/Pam stuff but hopefully they're done with them for now b/c that storyline is beyond stale. Everything goes right for them! I mean... yay. In real life if I had two friends that went through what they did I'd be thrilled but this is television. Whatever happened to television being the thing you watch to escape reality? I don't want to see everything go right much like I don't watch Law & Order every week to see open and shut cases with no twists or drama. This is definitely the main reason I've stopped enjoying the show. Maybe at this point they just need to have the kid and turn The Office into a weekly 30 minute show with just the supporting charachters. I mean... once they have the kid isn't that the end of their storyline? Are we gonna watch Pam at home with the kid? Is there a youtube video out there where everyone dances while learning to change diapers I need to be linked to?

The stuff with Dwight was golden. Same for Kevin who needs waaaaaaaaaaay more time devoted to him.

JAM = DULL.

Rob
piranesi
Oddly I've turned a weird corner on the character dichotomy. I used to dislike that the "strange" characters were getting to cartoonish and Jim and Pam were the only relatable, realistic characters left. But watching the wedding episode...they're....too real now.

They're like every other boring young married couple I've ever known...the little camera click gesture annoyed me to no end. They've basically become all my most boring friends (who I now avoid because of their burgeoning and banal domesticity) wrapped up in a dull, self-centered package. They were interesting at first because they were conflicted and didn't know exactly where they were headed in life. Now they know exactly who they are and what they want and so all that is left for them to do is secure their nest egg and defend their family unit against the world...which is an inherently boring and unfortunately all too familiar thing to watch people do.

The writers have stumbled these two characters into the most uninteresting transformation that happens in people's lives and there really isn't a way out.

If this leaves me craving the strangeness of the remaining characters, then pile it on. I don't think I could spend an evening with Jim and Pam. I've spent evenings with Jim's and Pam's and they were excrutiating. Give me a night out with Andy or Meredith.
Stuttsy
QUOTE(CM FUNK @ Oct 10 2009, 04:49 AM) *
I'd never seen or heard of that youtube video before. I'm shocked that something that had like 15 million views and was well known enough to be parodied in this fashion was completely under my radar, and I know I can't be the only one. Hell, I don't think I'd ever even heard that song before, or at least not enough to recognize it.

It's kind of weird that there's this whole other side of internet pop culture which apparently I am not in touch with at all.

Then again, the wolf shirt joke is like a decade old and beyond played out as far as I'm concerned, so I may not be the target audience here


I think you may be onto something here, because I have seen the "JK wedding" video half a dozen times posted on different people's Facebook pages and such and have no clue what the significance of the wolf shirt is and had never even seen or heard of it until everyone made a big deal about Cody Deaner wearing one a few Impacts ago.
piranesi
Those two jokes weren't operating at quite the same level though. The wolf shirt was basically a wardrobe easter egg for whoever would get it. The wedding video was a massively important part of the plot and was openly referenced.

I don't know what that means for where you stand on the lame internet meme scale of competency...but I think there are plenty of people who just thought Dwight's shirt was a funny, stupid shirt and didn't get anything beyond that.

I assume that in the last few months, lots of couples have been emulating the Youtube video and even more will do so now. As internet memes go, it's annoying enough to have broken through, Sadako style, into the real world where it is wreaking horrible consequences for all of us.
RandomAct
Ok, I wasn't a huge fan of the wedding episode. The first half had some funny moments, but the dance number nearly tanked the whole thing for me. That was about on the level of the little musical number from "Dinner Party". Just too far outside the reality of the show for me.
EVA
For what it's worth, this is not the first instance of Dwight manifesting his latent ladykilling powers. Recall the episode where Dwight and Michael go clubbing with Ryan and his Hobbit coke dealer and Dwight has a whole female basketball team falling for him.
delacroix
QUOTE(EVA @ Oct 10 2009, 10:55 PM) *
For what it's worth, this is not the first instance of Dwight manifesting his latent ladykilling powers. Recall the episode where Dwight and Michael go clubbing with Ryan and his Hobbit coke dealer and Dwight has a whole female basketball team falling for him.


wow, i totally don't remember that. that was one of the better episodes that season, too.
PaulS
Dwight is supremely confident in himself, and knows what exactly to say (in the times where he's not being a weirdo talking about goose grease or his apurist) I can totally buy him as a ladykiller. That was more believable than Jim landing Katy, for instance.
offspring515
QUOTE(PaulS @ Oct 11 2009, 02:32 AM) *
Dwight is supremely confident in himself, and knows what exactly to say (in the times where he's not being a weirdo talking about goose grease or his apurist) I can totally buy him as a ladykiller. That was more believable than Jim landing Katy, for instance.


Wait...what?

Jim is a much better looking guy who would obviously not have much trouble getting women. How was him landing Katy out of the realm of believability?
RandomAct
The only way I can see that, is because Jim's confidence has always been suspect. He never really believes in himself in anything he does.
SDAusmus
Cute, aw-shucks sorts of guys who don't necessarily have strong personalities generally get snatched up by women who think they can mold them into the perfect husband. I dunno if Katy was portrayed as that kind of girl, though.
PaulS
Jim was also very obviously over the moon for someone else during that time. It's really weird that Katy never saw that.

Jim was in a really weird place at the time he and Katy were dating. I couldn't see a guy as mopey as he was dating someone like Katy. When Jim got Karen, it was far more believable. He had moved on, and he had all his normal charm and likability going for him.

Also, single bridesmaids tend to make questionable decisions like that at weddings. Very believable.
Nathan Davis
QUOTE(PaulS @ Oct 12 2009, 06:07 PM) *
Jim was also very obviously over the moon for someone else during that time. It's really weird that Katy never saw that.


Considering we barely saw that relationship, I don't know if she would've been around Jim & Pam long enough to pick up on it. Not to mention, I mean, if we're to believe the characters, Pam didn't know that he was over the moon for her.
NickMD
Wow, there's a good amount of backlash about the episode, in particular the Jim/Pam stuff. I still have quite a soft spot for the whole story so count me in as someone who isn't annoyed with it. As painful as the first couple seasons were with Jim aching for Pam, I felt it was pretty rewarding to see them finally get to this point. I'm well aware of why people don't like it, but I feel as long as the other characters are still presented in interesting ways then I see no problem with it. Almost everyone had a memorable spot in the episode (Stanley dancing, Creed for once being freaked out, Dwight getting a lady, Michael getting Pam's mom, etc) I don't care for when they focus too much on the lovebirds, and if it was a half hour then that would have been the case. But with it being an hour I was fine with it.

That said, the wedding dance spot was funny and I laughed like mad at Dwight's shirt.
rainmakerrtv
Was I the only one to notice that Jim's dad was Sgt. Getraer from CHiPs? In a kilt?
Nathan Davis
QUOTE(rainmakerrtv @ Oct 13 2009, 12:15 AM) *
Was I the only one to notice that Jim's dad was Sgt. Getraer from CHiPs? In a kilt?


Absolutely not. That guy is one of my favorite character actors. I only wish they had given him more lines.
Crew
Loved the last ep, to the point where I wanna watch it again & take it all in one more time.

That being said, since the 2nd ep the show ever did, the story has been the long & winding road of Jim & Pam getting together. Now it's happened.

What happens next? (Sorry if that's repeating a point made by anyone else. It def needs to be said, & I'm not gonna read 90 posts to see if I'm repeating something.)
CM FUNK
QUOTE(Stuttsy @ Oct 10 2009, 04:06 PM) *
QUOTE(CM FUNK @ Oct 10 2009, 04:49 AM) *
I'd never seen or heard of that youtube video before. I'm shocked that something that had like 15 million views and was well known enough to be parodied in this fashion was completely under my radar, and I know I can't be the only one. Hell, I don't think I'd ever even heard that song before, or at least not enough to recognize it.

It's kind of weird that there's this whole other side of internet pop culture which apparently I am not in touch with at all.

Then again, the wolf shirt joke is like a decade old and beyond played out as far as I'm concerned, so I may not be the target audience here


I think you may be onto something here, because I have seen the "JK wedding" video half a dozen times posted on different people's Facebook pages and such and have no clue what the significance of the wolf shirt is and had never even seen or heard of it until everyone made a big deal about Cody Deaner wearing one a few Impacts ago.


I'm just trying to figure out where the cultural gap lies here

I'm in my late 20's, I consider myself pretty internet savvy and up on internet and pop culture trends pretty much by osmosis most of the time. I'm at the age where a lot of people in my peer group are getting married, and yet this "JK Wedding" thing was totally new to me. Nobody I know linking to it on facebook, nobody talking about it, nothing...

I would say that I'm an anomaly, but apparently a lot of people had no clue what was going on when they watched that episode, but also a lot of people did, so I'm really just curious where the divide is between people who got it and people who didn't.

For what it's worth I liked the episode a lot. Even with not getting the joke at the end I liked the spirit of it, the cuts of Jim and Pam on the boat was a great "ending" for them
Kevin Wilson
Yea, I had to look up the wedding thing after the show was off, and I am 26 and even read celebrity gossip sites because I work with a bunch of women and that way I know what the hell they are talking about. So I don't consider myself "behind" in the internet jokes and I knew about the wolf shirt, so what target is the wedding video for? High school and college? It was certainly funny, I just wish I was in on the joke at the time I watched the show.
Mike Rose
I'm not trying to sound all negative, but the arc of the 2 Bosses/Wedding storyline, may have been a
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moment for the show. I've been underwhelmed by this season for the most part and I think the writers have been lazily relying on pop culture references, inside jokes and Michael turning into Homer Simpson again to get the yuks over instead of solid comedy writing. The Kleenex boxes on Kevin's feet were icing on the cake for me.

Kevin Wilson
The Wedding storyline has been built up for five years so clearly isn't a jump da shark moment. The two bosses maybe, I am still waiting to see what they do with it but so far it is pretty ridiculous.
john lowe
So, that episode seemed like a solid "F YOU" to people who bitch about Jam being the focus of the show.
Of course, didn't Milton Berle use that plot back on Your Show of Shows? He probably got it from Shakespeare, who got it from Sophocles.

-jlowe

rainmakerrtv
QUOTE(john lowe @ Oct 15 2009, 10:16 PM) *
So, that episode seemed like a solid "F YOU" to people who bitch about Jam being the focus of the show.
Of course, didn't Milton Berle use that plot back on Your Show of Shows? He probably got it from Shakespeare, who got it from Sophocles.

-jlowe


Wouldn't that be Sid Caesar on Your Show Of Shows?
john lowe
QUOTE(rainmakerrtv @ Oct 15 2009, 09:23 PM) *
QUOTE(john lowe @ Oct 15 2009, 10:16 PM) *
So, that episode seemed like a solid "F YOU" to people who bitch about Jam being the focus of the show.
Of course, didn't Milton Berle use that plot back on Your Show of Shows? He probably got it from Shakespeare, who got it from Sophocles.

-jlowe


Wouldn't that be Sid Caesar on Your Show Of Shows?


Yeah. I don't know what Uncle Miltie's show was called, and didn't feel like looking it up.
But the point remains.

-jlowe
SDAusmus
Milt's show was called the Texaco Star Theater. Legend has it that in Detroit, an investigation took place when the water levels took a drastic drop in the reservoirs on Tuesday nights between 9 and 9:05. It turned out that everyone waited until Uncle Miltie went off the air before using the bathroom.
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