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epwar
Shouldn't the US Marshall's have more important things to do that helping the Mexican government over something this ridiculous?
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MSNBC has learned that U.S. officials have arrested TV reality star Duane "Dog" Chapman and two family members for extradition to Mexico.

Chapman's wife told MSNBC's Rita Cosby that heavily armed U.S. marshals arrived at the family's house today and took away Chapman, his brother, Tim, and son, Leland.

Cosby said she was told that Mexican government officials wanted the three men sent back there in relation to a three-year-old case.

In 2003, the Chapmans went to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico to retrieve Max Factor heir Andrew Luster, who was wanted in the U.S. on rape charges.

Luster is now in jail, serving a 124-year term, but at the time, the Chapmans were also jailed by Mexican authorities for a brief time three years ago.

Bounty hunting is considered a crime in Mexico.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9850095/detail.h...ss=phi&psp=news
Jeremy
I remember when this happened, I think Dog and his wife were on Oprah or something, and I saw a clip of it on Talk Soup. I'm sure it'll end up being nothing.
epwar
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 14 2006, 06:42 PM) *

I'm sure it'll end up being nothing.

Yeah, but just the fact that they wasted manpower to do this is ridiculous. Regardless, Dog wins in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qw4CI78lc
Jeremy
QUOTE(epwar @ Sep 14 2006, 11:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 14 2006, 06:42 PM) *

I'm sure it'll end up being nothing.

Yeah, but just the fact that they wasted manpower to do this is ridiculous. Regardless, Dog wins in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qw4CI78lc


Dog ALWAYS wins, brah.
MadRyan
I wonder if they offered Dog a cigarette after the arrested him.
nfc90210
Not being from the US I have always thought of bounty hunting as ridiculous. If people abscond then they should be pursued by law enforcement officials, and not ex-cons with God complexes.

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Bounty hunting is considered a crime in Mexico.


He violated Mexican law.

Believe it or not Mexico is a sovereign nation.

Should Dog be allowed to traipse around the world behaving like, a DDPesque looking, John Wayne?
epwar
QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 07:01 PM) *

Should, Dog be allowed to traipse around the world behaving like, a DDPesque looking, John Wayne?

Yes.

Seriously, we all know he is in violation of the law but how about something more pressing coming before a big US Marshall show off bust. Also, couldn't they have called him instead of busting in his house. Even Dog offers that option first.
Andrew POE!
QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 03:01 PM) *

Not being from the US I have always thought of bounty hunting as ridiculous. If people abscond then they should be pursued by law enforcement officials, and not ex-cons with God complexes.

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Bounty hunting is considered a crime in Mexico.


He violated Mexican law.

Believe it or not Mexico is a sovereign nation.

Should, Dog be allowed to traipse around the world behaving like, a DDPesque looking, John Wayne?


It's not like the Mexican government would grant the U.S. any favors by bringing the fugitive in. I'd trust Dog before the Mexican police to apprend a criminal.
xxx
QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 03:01 PM) *

Should, Dog be allowed to traipse around the world behaving like, a DDPesque looking, John Wayne?


There is only one valid answer to this question. Look where you're writing this, dude.. :-)

X.
OldFashionedStick
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Not being from the US I have always thought of bounty hunting as ridiculous. If people abscond then they should be pursued by law enforcement officials, and not ex-cons with God complexes.


So, Dog is supposed to just hand these people bail money and HOPE they show up for court? And when they inevitably do NOT show up for court, just take the financial loss in stride? C'mon. Be serious. He's running a business.

While I do not agree with his religious views, I whole-heartedly agree with what he tries to do in helping those that desperately need it.

OldFashionedStick
nfc90210
Ok.

Are the Mexican police force corrupt?

Probably, sometimes.

I know a guy who while on holiday in California, along with his girlfriend, decided to go and see Mexico. They crossed the border. Stupidly they did so in their rental car with California plates. They ended up getting arrested by some cops. I don’t know what for. It was some bullshit charge.

They were being taken to the station.

Then the cops stopped and asked for $400 to make everything to go away.

Most of the time they would have gotten that. However the guy I know, was at the time poor and, grew up on the Shankill Road.

Him and his girlfriend were travelling the world. Four hundred dollars was a lot of money to them. They refused.

The police escort continued.

There were more stops.

In the end my friend (well my brother’s friend) ended up paying $50 direct to the cops.

Yeah, so, some, Mexican law enforcement officials are corrupt.

However…

If I recall correctly, the Mexican authorities position was that if Dog knew were Luster was then they should have been informed, and then they would have made the arrest.

I watch the Dog’s show. It’s entreating

Maybe some of my opinions on him being arrested are coloured by how much I hate the whole concept of bounty hunters.

My idea is simple: Criminals are pursued by police (or, in case of the US, other law enforcement personnel)

Andrew Luster was a bad man. He committed terrible crimes. However, I think if given his location, given the high profile nature of the case, the Mexican authorities would have apprehended him.

Seriously, and this is crude, fuck Dog.

If Luster had been in Canada would you support the idea that Dog could march in and kidnap him off the street?

I just hate the sheer arrrgance of it all.

Say for instance…

If I move to Hawaii, commit a crime, have Dog’s company post bail and then flee to London.

Should Dog and his crew be allowed to role into a soevergin country and behave like cowboys.
nfc90210
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So, Dog is supposed to just hand these people bail money and HOPE they show up for court? And when they inevitably do NOT show up for court, just take the financial loss in stride? C'mon. Be serious. He's running a business.


No.

Dog never posted bail for Luster.

-----

I hate the concept of bail bondsmen. I hate the idea that they are needed because of the system. They are needed because of the nature of the system in the US. However, that won't stop me looking on them with the same kind of contempt that I do bailiffs.

It's more me hating the nature of a system that requires bondsmen.

Your rights in the Uk.

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Bail

Bail from the Police Station

Once you have been charged with an offence, the police must release you on bail unless the custody officer reasonably believes that:

* There is doubt about your name or address;
* Detention is necessary to protect you or somebody else; or
* You will fail to attend court or interfere with witnesses or the administration of justice.

The police can attach conditions to your bail, such as living at a fixed address, reporting to a local police station, a curfew, avoiding named people or places, or providing a financial guarantee for your attendance at court.

If you fail to attend court without reasonable excuse, you commit a separate offence under the Bail Act 1976. If you break any of the conditions of your bail, you can be arrested and brought in custody to the next sitting of the local Magistrates' Court, who may then take away your bail.

Bail from the Court

If you are on police bail with conditions, you can apply to the Magistrates’ Court to vary the conditions. If the police have kept you in custody, they must bring you to the next sitting of the local Magistrates' Court, which then takes any decisions about bail if your case continues after the first hearing. The court can grant bail with or without conditions, or remand you in custody.

Before conviction, you have a right to be granted bail unless certain exceptions apply. The most significant of these are where the court finds that there are substantial grounds for believing you may do one or more of the following:

* Fail to attend at court.
* Commit further offences.
* Interfere with witnesses

The factors the court will consider in deciding this include:

* The charge
* The evidence
* Your own background (including your job and family)
* Any previous convictions you have
* Whether you have previously absconded when on bail.

If the court has concerns on these grounds, it can attach conditions to your bail, including:

* Residence at a bail hostel
* Payment of a cash security into court, or;
* Providing a surety.

A surety is someone who knows you personally and offers the court a sum of money to guarantee you will attend court when required. He or she does not have to pay the money into court, but has to show that it is available. If you then do not turn up at court on time, the surety may have to pay the money or even go to prison if unable to do so. Your surety will have to attend the court or police station in person to sign as surety. You will not be released from custody yourself until he or she has done so.

The surety should not have a criminal record, and should provide proof that the necessary funds are available e.g. a bank statement or building society book. It is an offence to lend someone money to enable him or her to stand surety.

If you are charged with an offence which does not carry a possible sentence of imprisonment, the court can normally only refuse bail if you have failed to attend in the past and it believes you would do so again.

Where conditions are attached to your bail, or bail is refused, the court must state its reasons for doing so. In cases of rape or homicide, the court must also state reasons if it decides to grant bail.

If you are refused bail at your first hearing, you can apply again at the second hearing of your case, or if there is a change in your circumstances relating to bail.

If the Magistrates’ Court refuses your application for bail or imposes conditions that you are unhappy with or cannot meet, you can appeal to a Crown Court judge even if your case can only be heard in the Magistrates’ Court.

In serious cases, the prosecution can appeal to the Crown Court judge against the granting of bail by the magistrates, although this is unusual.

If you are under 17 when bail is refused, you will not be remanded straight to custody, but will be accommodated by the local authority, which may place you with your family, in a children’s home, or apply to the court to place you in secure accommodation.

See also THE RIGHTS OF CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE

If you are refused bail and are remanded in custody, custody time limits will apply to your case. Once the custody time limit has expired the court must release you on bail unless the prosecution has obtained an extension from the court beforehand. The limits are:

* 56 days for Magistrates’ Court trial
* 70 days for committal to the Crown Court
* 112 days from committal to Crown Court trial

To extend these limits, the prosecution has to justify the time they are taking to bring your case to trial.



Most of the people Dog deals with, in the UK, would just be released with basic bail conditions. It's not like his agency is dealing with major criminals. His company makes money off the poor. It’s necessary in a system that is deeply flawed.


Laserbeak
God I hope this means the end of his stupid TV show.

QUOTE(epwar @ Sep 14 2006, 07:04 PM) *

Seriously, we all know he is in violation of the law but how about something more pressing coming before a big US Marshall show off bust.


The U.S. Marshalls should have stormed the offices of A&E and busted into a meeting of the board of directors and asked "Which one of you dumbfucks gave Dog the Bounty Hunter his own show?" and when the other programmers pointed to the guilty party, surrounded the guy and emptied their firearms into him.
Josh Mann
QUOTE(Laserbeak @ Sep 14 2006, 05:49 PM) *

God I hope this means the end of his stupid TV show.

QUOTE(epwar @ Sep 14 2006, 07:04 PM) *

Seriously, we all know he is in violation of the law but how about something more pressing coming before a big US Marshall show off bust.


The U.S. Marshalls should have stormed the offices of A&E and busted into a meeting of the board of directors and asked "Which one of you dumbfucks gave Dog the Bounty Hunter his own show?" and when the other programmers pointed to the guilty party, surrounded the guy and emptied their firearms into him.


Well, if you're so gung-ho about it...
Deeks
Fuck Dog! Fuck him for capturing a rapist. I hope Dog burns in hell for what he did.
Gerard
Not being American, I think the whole bounty hunter concept is kind of silly. But...

QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 09:01 PM) *

Should Dog be allowed to traipse around the world behaving like, a DDPesque looking, John Wayne?

YES! Laws are really cute, but it's Dog The Bounty Hunter! Come on man...
nfc90210
QUOTE(Deeks @ Sep 14 2006, 11:07 PM) *

Fuck Dog! Fuck him for capturing a rapist. I hope Dog burns in hell for what he did.


No one said...

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Rape cool! Rape Now!


I think you're missing the point.


mrwaukegan
QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 04:25 PM) *

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So, Dog is supposed to just hand these people bail money and HOPE they show up for court? And when they inevitably do NOT show up for court, just take the financial loss in stride? C'mon. Be serious. He's running a business.


No.

Dog never posted bail for Luster.

-----

I hate the concept of bail bondsmen. I hate the idea that they are needed because of the system. They are needed because of the nature of the system in the US. However, that won't stop me looking on them with the same kind of contempt that I do bailiffs.

It's more me hating the nature of a system that requires bondsmen.

Your rights in the Uk.

QUOTE
Bail

Bail from the Police Station

Once you have been charged with an offence, the police must release you on bail unless the custody officer reasonably believes that:

* There is doubt about your name or address;
* Detention is necessary to protect you or somebody else; or
* You will fail to attend court or interfere with witnesses or the administration of justice.

The police can attach conditions to your bail, such as living at a fixed address, reporting to a local police station, a curfew, avoiding named people or places, or providing a financial guarantee for your attendance at court.

If you fail to attend court without reasonable excuse, you commit a separate offence under the Bail Act 1976. If you break any of the conditions of your bail, you can be arrested and brought in custody to the next sitting of the local Magistrates' Court, who may then take away your bail.

Bail from the Court

If you are on police bail with conditions, you can apply to the Magistrates’ Court to vary the conditions. If the police have kept you in custody, they must bring you to the next sitting of the local Magistrates' Court, which then takes any decisions about bail if your case continues after the first hearing. The court can grant bail with or without conditions, or remand you in custody.

Before conviction, you have a right to be granted bail unless certain exceptions apply. The most significant of these are where the court finds that there are substantial grounds for believing you may do one or more of the following:

* Fail to attend at court.
* Commit further offences.
* Interfere with witnesses

The factors the court will consider in deciding this include:

* The charge
* The evidence
* Your own background (including your job and family)
* Any previous convictions you have
* Whether you have previously absconded when on bail.

If the court has concerns on these grounds, it can attach conditions to your bail, including:

* Residence at a bail hostel
* Payment of a cash security into court, or;
* Providing a surety.

A surety is someone who knows you personally and offers the court a sum of money to guarantee you will attend court when required. He or she does not have to pay the money into court, but has to show that it is available. If you then do not turn up at court on time, the surety may have to pay the money or even go to prison if unable to do so. Your surety will have to attend the court or police station in person to sign as surety. You will not be released from custody yourself until he or she has done so.

The surety should not have a criminal record, and should provide proof that the necessary funds are available e.g. a bank statement or building society book. It is an offence to lend someone money to enable him or her to stand surety.

If you are charged with an offence which does not carry a possible sentence of imprisonment, the court can normally only refuse bail if you have failed to attend in the past and it believes you would do so again.

Where conditions are attached to your bail, or bail is refused, the court must state its reasons for doing so. In cases of rape or homicide, the court must also state reasons if it decides to grant bail.

If you are refused bail at your first hearing, you can apply again at the second hearing of your case, or if there is a change in your circumstances relating to bail.

If the Magistrates’ Court refuses your application for bail or imposes conditions that you are unhappy with or cannot meet, you can appeal to a Crown Court judge even if your case can only be heard in the Magistrates’ Court.

In serious cases, the prosecution can appeal to the Crown Court judge against the granting of bail by the magistrates, although this is unusual.

If you are under 17 when bail is refused, you will not be remanded straight to custody, but will be accommodated by the local authority, which may place you with your family, in a children’s home, or apply to the court to place you in secure accommodation.

See also THE RIGHTS OF CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE

If you are refused bail and are remanded in custody, custody time limits will apply to your case. Once the custody time limit has expired the court must release you on bail unless the prosecution has obtained an extension from the court beforehand. The limits are:

* 56 days for Magistrates’ Court trial
* 70 days for committal to the Crown Court
* 112 days from committal to Crown Court trial

To extend these limits, the prosecution has to justify the time they are taking to bring your case to trial.



Most of the people Dog deals with, in the UK, would just be released with basic bail conditions. It's not like his agency is dealing with major criminals. His company makes money off the poor. It’s necessary in a system that is deeply flawed.


Actually most States no longer have bailsbonds/bounty hunters instead felony bond is held by the Court.
The judge assigns the bond, for say 100K, your non-felonious family/friends are then responsible for putting up 10% or 10K cash. They court holds the money until adjutication.
Keith6601
When he gets out of the shower and looks in the mirror, does he consider that hunting down a fugitive?
Jack Half-A-Prayer
QUOTE(nfc90210 @ Sep 14 2006, 06:35 PM) *

QUOTE(Deeks @ Sep 14 2006, 11:07 PM) *

Fuck Dog! Fuck him for capturing a rapist. I hope Dog burns in hell for what he did.


No one said...

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Rape cool! Rape Now!


I think you're missing the point.


No, perhaps you are.

I think Deeks is quite accurately mocking the absolute hypocrisy of Mexico here, in that they first weren't too concerned with letting a known rapist run around their country with no problem whatsoever, or that they let god knows how many violent gang members and drug runners hop the border into OUR nation every single year without so much as bothering to look for them, yet they're gonna get that American bounty hunter for violating the law (by bringing a scumbag rapist to justice), by god.

It's a joke. The only reason Dog's in hot water now? Because he absolutely embarrassed Mexico over the Luster deal. So now they want some payback. I say, Mexico should be a little more concerned with fixing their absolute shithole of a country than trying to get Dog.
Antacular
You know who this wouldn't be a problem for?

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Tim Evans
Anyone see the special from Tuesday night? It was good but i can't stand his wife. The man is getting screwed and this just proves how fucked up the Mexican jail system is.
Dooley
I wouldn't trust the Mexican authorities to water my cactus. It's always one hustle or another. One need look no further than the two Canadian tourists murdered in Cancun this year. Despite all evidence pointing to a resort employee, the Mexican authorities went on the offensive and claimed it was the work of two other Canadian tourists just so resort business in Cancun wouldn't take a hit.

How ass-backwards is it when they'll go after Dog but turn a blind eye to the rapist?
amkickboxer
I have only seen a few of his shows and all I can do is laugh at this guy, how self rightious is this guy,,,and now a hypocrite??? I mean come on he chases down big lawbreakers,{think one might have been unpaid tickets that I had seen} by his own standards He did break the law, so serves him right.
He makes a living off of other peoples misery, he berates people when they are at their personal lowest, that takes a real tough guy,,,ever heard about not kicking somone when down?
But then again when you are down your head is that much closer to somones foot
Honestly I hate most programing that uses this same concept, Cops, Cheaters, Maury, but I guess I'm a bit diffrent
Before I get out the soap box I will just say it all just seems fitting, maybe it will spike his ratings in sweeps weeks to have all this out now?
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