August '05 - October '05 Lucha TV Thoughts Options

[Robert]

8/6/05:

Sagrado/Crazy Boy/El Satanico vs. Arkangel de la Muerte/Sangre Azteca/Hijo de Pierroth - 3rd Fall Only!

- Sagrado did a cool exchange with Arkangel. Crazzy Boy then did about 30 highspots in the span of 2 minutes, all of which were moves way too complicated for the rudos to sell. Most overrated wrestler of the year award is all locked up. Cheap finish.

Torneo to determine the 2nd finalist for the Mexican version of the G1 Climax:
8-man Battle Royal to determine teams...
Torneo Cibernetico: Volador Jr./Texano Jr./Leono/Nitro vs. Safari/Kronos/Neutron/Dr. X

- Dr. X is the first one out in the battle royale and he takes a SICK BUMP snapping his neck on the hard floor which of course gets replayed about 10 times. I liked the Cibernetico from the previous week more than this one. Everyone looked good but it didn't have as much heat or drama. Plus the eliminations made no sense with Volador Jr. and Neutron going out so early. It's a sad visual when Texano Jr./Nitro are in the ring while Volador Jr./Neutron are in the middle of walking to the back. Some really nice dives, Texano Jr. busted out *3*! He loses points for doing the same one twice. Kronos showed nothing. Leono looks like he will be really fun some day.

Only new Momentos spot was a running somersault plancha by Leono onto Ramstein.

Negro Casas/Heavy Metal/Felino vs. Ultimo Guerrero/Rey Bucanero/Olimpico

- Fucking awesome sprint! They didn't hold back at all! Multiple dives in each fall, some amazing counters, an insane Negro/Ultimo exchange and Felino tearing it up. YOU WANT THIS MATCH! If the third fall had been longer this would have been a trios MOTYC for me. I wish they had done a rematch.

Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Hector Garza/Tarzan Boy vs. Pierroth/Halloween/Damian 666 - Halloween & Damian 666 turn on Pierroth!

- The turn was pretty awesome as Pierroth was bullying Perro Jr. in the corner and Damian/Halloween ripped their shirts off to reveal "Perros Del Mal" shirts. Perro Jr. told Pierroth to turn around and then... BOOM! PIERROTH GOT DESTROYED! Just an amazing angle and huge heat. I would rate it on equal level in terms of heat to the Gringos dressing up as Payasos angle. Fantastic stuff with Hijo Del Pierroth getting destroyed as well.

Pretty good show.

Rob

[Tim Evans]

I thought Haloween and Damien were always in Perros Del Mal?

[Robert]

I guess not. This was their official introduction into the group or at least that's the way they made it seem.

Of note for cubsfan... Tarzan was wearing his Infernales gear and took part in the beating down of Pierroth but refused to actually celebrate with the Perros Del Mal.

Rob

[Robert]

8/13/05:

Arkangel/Apocalipsis/Mr. Mexico vs. Virus/Crazy Boy/Kronos

- Man is Kronos ever fat. He should at least wear some loose clothing to hide it instead of a tight spandex outfit that just makes him look awful. Crazzy Boy as usual just did a bunch of highspots but I marked out for the pinning move he used to end the first fall. Second fall was all rudos. I hate when they just take over right away instead of a little build to it. Third fall was more rudos and they won. Yay for 3 hour episodes, boo for matches that have no reason airing.Razz

Bronco/Satanico/Sagrado vs. Okumura/Taguchi/Hijo de Pierroth

- Speaking of no reason to air. Wasn't a bad match but was just full of guys who are so plain. Bronco/Sagrado did nice dives at the end.

Safari/Chamaco Valaguez Jr. vs. Doctor X/Nitro

- Yay for 3 hour episodes!Very Happy This was *AWESOME*! Just total old school lucha with matwork, some exchanges, some rudo brawling and a long third fall with many near finishes. Valaguez Jr. trimmed down which was neat. He almost did a tope suicida onto his head in the first fall. I found that quite neat too.Smile Rudos looked great in the second fall. Third fall was a perfect little tag match with all the guys being involved in the nearfalls. Stuff like this is why I am so sad we miss most undercard matches.

Dark Angel/Sahori/Marcela vs. Princesa Sugey/Amapola/Hiroka

- At the risk of angering Henrik... I liked this.Smile Some neat moves from the ladies and they were going all out to impress. Dark Angel even looked good! I KNOW! WHO JUST SAID THAT? Fredo was right... she almost killed herself at the end of the match trying a top-rope frankensteiner and mis-timing it so she landed right on her head. I am shocked she got up and did the normal finish. Amapola almost did a tope suicida onto her head. Bad night for tope suicidas so far. Sahori and Hiroka were the only two who seemed out of place since they couldn't keep up.

Momentos only had one new spot - Pierrothito doing a plancha off the second rope inside the ring onto Ultimo Dragoncito. Oh c'mon, in a six man mini's tag you're telling me that was the best spot? Pfft.

La Mascara vs. Texano Jr. - G1 Climax Final (Mexico Version)

- Very disapointing. These guys both blow. They each did nice dives but there was no crowd reaction to anything they did and the only time either showed emotion was when Texano Jr. won. Horrible choice of finalists.

Dos Caras Jr./Ultimo Dragon/Lizmark Sr. vs. Mascara 2000/Universo 2000/Mascara Magica

- Oh man, give Lizmark another 6 months and he'll be Anibal 1991 level! He tried to dropkick MA2K and barely hit his ankles! Now that's pretty brutal. Dos Jr. looked great here... future CMLL ace. Did an awesome tope over the top rope onto Universo in the first fall. They did a dive train in the third fall and then U2K made Dos Jr. give up. Better than both Coliseo matches and the G1 Final.

Mistico/Atlantis/Negro Casas/Heavy Metal vs. Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Hector Garza/Damian 666/Halloween

- WHOA! The crowd was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOT for this! Seriously... Mistico and the Perros Del Mal are so over - it's FRIGHTENING! The crowd was really into booing Atlantis as well and he wasn't taking it well at all. Heavy Metal still sucks. The crowd made this match... I haven't heard them this loud in ages... it was crazy. I can't remember most of the match even though I was so into it but it's well worth seeing. Third fall was tons of fun. Mistico did two great dives and La Familia were bumping like crazy for everyone.

3 hour episodes are AWESOME! The next one looks even better!

Rob

[Robert]

8/20/05:

I'm very disapointed they've stopped doing the intros in front of the ring so we can't watch some undercard matches for a few seconds.

L.A. Park/Dos Caras Jr./Ultimo Dragon vs. Halloween/Damian 666/Tarzan Boy

- Pretty good match. Tarzan didn't do much but well... he's Tarzan. Parka was on fire throughout and Dos Jr. as usual looked great. Dragon did an awesome asai moonsault in the third fall and the finishing sequence was SICK! La Parka is insane and everyone seems to step their game up when he's around.

Momentos had two new spots... Black Warrior doing a tope of death on Ultimo Guerrero as Heavy Metal did a somersault off the apron onto Olimpico or maybe it was Rey Bucanero. Then Sensei did a cool somersault plancha off the top onto Super Comando at Arena Mexico.

Mistico/Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Dr. Wagner Jr. vs. Atlantis/Universo 2000/Ultimo Guerrero - Relevos Increibles

- Awesome match. The crowd LOVED the "tecnico" team and was very into boo'ing the "rudos". Mistico and Ultimo did some great stuff together as usual and Mistico even worked well with Universo at some points. Third fall was off the charts great.

Hector Garza vs. Pierroth - Hair Match

- I could live just fine without ever seeing another Pierroth singles match. Garza tried but this was more of an angle than a match. I did find it cool when all the Perros Del Mal(including Tarzan) came out and then 50,000 Pierroths walked out. Probably all the undercarders under the hoods.Smile

Not the greatest show but worth seeing if you have the cash.

Rob

[Robert]

8/27/05:

Brazo de Plata/Negro Casas/Ultimo Dragon vs. Okumura/Taguchi/Ohara

- What a waste of my life. First two falls were more boring than the Pierroth vs Gran Markus classics. Ohara didn't get the opportunity to do ANYTHING. He was Negro Casas' whipping boy all match long which is exactly how he got this spot on the card I'm guessing.

Momentos was fabulous for a change. It was basically the Bam Bam show as the first clip had him doing the old Silver King dive into an armdrag on Sombrita! AWESOME SPOT! Next clip had him doing the Mistico running tornillo onto Pequeno Violencia. This guy looks awesome but he's taller and bigger than Mini Abismo Negro so I'm thinking eventually he'll get the push into the normal sized division. Next clip was Starman/Valiente doing a doomsday device dropkick spot to ~CALIGULA! Kronos tope suicida's Arkangel. Finally from Arena Mexico, Volador Jr. with a running somersault plancha onto Hijo Del Pierroth.

Universo 2000/Mascara 2000/Satanico vs. Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Tarzan Boy/Hector Garza

- *yawn* Have I not seen this match roughly 30 times this year? At least it only went two falls.

El Hijo del Santo/Mistico/Dr. Wagner Jr. vs. Ultimo Guerrero/Averno/Mephisto

- Show saving match! But you all should have expected that. This is like AAA '95 with Santo, Rey, Panther, Fuerza, Psicosis, Volador, Juventud, Octagon, Pentagon, Misterioso, etc. You just gotta form some sort of trios match involving six of your top guys and they will tear the house down. Crowd was insanely hot for Mistico and Santo making his Arena Mexico return. Mistico might have done the fastest La Mistica ever to end the first fall. Ultimo spun Santo/Mistico around at the same time for over 15 seconds at the end of the second fall! Third fall was off the charts. You all want to see this match!

Pretty weak show saved by a great Momentos and awesome main event. This show is why 10 for $50 deals were invented.

Rob

[Robert]

9/3/05:

Tigre Blanco/Tigre Metalico/Kronos vs. Loco Max/Arkangel/Hooligan

- Really fun opener although I did expect more. Tigre Metalico/Hooligan ALMOST pulled off the coolest spot ever doing a slingshot into a bodyscissors but it got messed up. Kronos looked the best he has yet... shoockinly when he was in the ring with Hooligan. I WONDER WHY THAT WAS!?!?!?! Perfectly acceptable opener.

Maximo/Metro/Volador Jr. vs. Sangre Azteca/Nitro/Doctor X

- Fun little match. Volador Jr. was doing most of the work for the tecnicos obviously as Metro blows and Maximo is more show than substance. All the falls had great finishes and the third fall had lots of back and forth stuff. I must also add the rudos were decked out in *AWESOME* triple masks. That is, they all had 1/3rd of the mask their own and the other 2 parts were their partners' masks. Really neat.

Negro Casas/Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr. vs. Shinsuke Nakamura/Hiroshi Tanahashi/Averno

- I expected way more. The only really good stuff was when Averno was in the ring with Wagner. The Japanese guys were working really soft and you could really tell they were holding back on their strikes as if they were afraid to stiff someone. Averno took a sick suplex to the floor in the second fall. I think Wagner was supposed to hold him up but he slipped and Averno was lucky he landed right or that could have been devastating for him.

Momentos was crappy. Heavy Metal couldn't even do a somersault off the apron properly. La Flecha with a double springboard elbowdrop off the top. Arkangel with a plancha onto Safari while Mr. Mexico splashes Sagrado and Sangre Azteca dropkicks Pantera in the butt. Rest was repeated spots.

Ultimo Guerrero/Rey Bucanero/Olimpico vs. El Hijo del Santo/Mistico/La Mascara

- This was the match where Mistico got hurt. Everyone scrambled after that. Nobody could figure out how to end the first fall so Guerrero let Santo pin him. Rudos quickly(VERY QUICKLY) won the second fall. Ref called the third fall off early and the rudos didn't seem to like it so they just ripped the masks off the tecnicos to get DQ'ed. Not much of a match b/c of the chaos after Mistico's injury.

Universo 2000/Mascara 2000/Apolo Dantes/El Satanico vs. Damian 666/Halloween/Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Hector Garza

- Boring. Whatever. Garza laid out MA2K with a tombstone at the end which didn't get the pop I thought it would. I think the crowd was busy watching Perrito trying to tombstone Universo.

Not the best of shows, especially considering they had 3 hours.

Rob

[Robert]

9/10/05:

La Mascara/Satanico/Safari vs. Emilio Charles Jr./Sangre Azteca/Nitro

- Average opener. Nobody looked motivated... just a bland match with predictable finishes to each fall. Safari is weird as sometimes he looks really motivated and ready to tear shit up but other times he looks like a washed up guy who would rather be anywhere but in the ring.

Torneo Cibernetico for CMLL Women's Title Match Finalists:
Battle Royal to determine 2 teams...
La Nazi/Amapola/Linda Star/Sahori/Medusa vs. Marcela/La India Sioux/Dark Angel/Princesa Sugey/Hiroka

- Pretty good I guess. I expected more dives and flying since it's a Torneo but they worked it like a bunch of singles matches. Marcela/Amapola are sooooooooooooo ahead of all the other women, it's not even funny. Amapola even busted out the Skayde Special! The finish made no sense as the referees let Dark Angel/Marcela double team La Nazi which in theory should have had them both disqualified or at least Dark Angel since she wasn't legal.

Negro Casas/Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr. vs. Shinsuke Nakamura/Hiroshi Tanahashi/Averno - Rematch

- Lots of angle, very little match. Japanese guys turned on Averno. Dos Jr. looked great here though and did this amazing top-rope enzuigiri on Averno in the third fall. Of note... the announcers had no clue which was Nakamura and which was Tanahashi until the third fall.

Momentos was... ALL REPEAT FOOTAGE! FUCK YOU GALAVISION!

Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Damian 666/Halloween vs. L.A. Park/Atlantis/Blue Panther

- This was where Atlantis began his official rudo turn. It was a good angle in theory but I don't think it came off too well. Parka looked amazing as usual. The third fall was really enjoyable but overall the match lacked something.

Hector Garza vs. Universo 2000

- Pretty much just a brawl. Couple of decent spots but really short and not as heated as I thought it'd be. Universo and Baby Richard got destroyed by Los Perros Del Mal after the match.

Really bad show. When the women's match is the best match on a show in Mexico, you KNOW you are in trouble. Save your money folks.

Rob

[Kingm0b]

I guess not. This was their official introduction into the group or at least that's the way they made it seem.

This is stuff that hasn't aired here? Because they've already shown at least 2 matches where Damian & Halloween are running around in PERROS DEL MAL t-shirts and beating on the Dinamitas.

I was interested to find that while I was watching a show on VIDEOROLA, they had a guy running around Coliseo and then on one of the Gala sports shows today they had a segment where Atlanits was palling around with a soccer-playing little girl for a segment. They looked like they were having fun, and then later when she was at a show Atlantis was decked out in rudogear. The half-guerrero mask (and guerrero toga) he had on looked pretty cool, does he wear that all the time now?

[thecubsfan]

This is indeed all stuff that hasn't aired yet.

The deal here is when Perro, Garzan and Tarzan turned on Pierroth, Pierroth claimed Halloween and Damian were still loyal to him, and were going to be his opposition force against Perro. About a minute too late, he found out he was wrong.

The soccer girl had wore an Atlantis mask after scoring a goal in a big intrasquad game, so that's where that came from.

[Robert]

9/24/05:

Sagrado/Maximo/Safari vs Emilio Charles Jr./El Hijo Del Pierroth/Ryusuke Taguchi

- Decent opener... far better than I expected. Crowd was really into it and they seemed to work a LITTLE harder than they normally would. Surprise finish was cool.

Momentos had a Kronos tope suicida and Leono assisted springboard plancha. Nothing else of note.

Torneo Leyenda De Plata

- Probably the best storyline booked match in CMLL history. Every elimination told some sort of story and everyone knew why certain tecnicos and rudos kept fighting each other. Things got really heated at the end. I loved the way the Japanese guys got eliminated and so did the crowd. GENIUS. More story than action though so don't look for a great **** match.

Mistico vs Ultimo Guerrero

- Not another MOTYC folks... sorry. I was entertained by this though but then again I am the biggest Mistico mark in the world. First fall Smackdown [TM] on Mistico + comeback was really awesome. Second fall was really short(really really REALLY short) and I can already see people bitching about it ending so quick but it did make sense as Mistico got destroyed when Ultimo had him but when he got loose and went crazy with flying... he won the first fall. Ultimo finally caught him again in the second fall and it was done. Third fall got like 8 minutes though and had a couple of neat falls and spots. They did this really cool sunset flip spot out of a inverted Gory Special(Vertebreaker). Mistico did his best plancha over the ringpost yet. I enjoyed the finishing sequence. Atlantis running in for the DQ was fun but then CMLL used that same finish for another 4 weeks so it got lame.

Fun show. Mistico vs Ultimo is FUN if you're a fan of their feud. Don't buy if you are just looking for a 4-5 star masterpiece. Damnit I want their Monterrey match!

Rob

[Robert]

CMLL TV 10/15/05:

Show began with clips of the CMLL training system. That was AWESOME. Seeing Artillero, Epidemia, Cyber Black and others go through their routine was just fantastic. Those are the future stars! Well maybe not those guys in particular. They are just *MY* future stars of Momentos.

Virus/Tony Rivera/Trueno vs Arkangel/Dr. X/Mr. Mexico

- WOOHOO! Now THIS is how you open a show up on a good note. Great first fall. Trueno is cool... he tried a lot of nice flying stuff and granted only half of it hit... at least he tried and I love that. He added a lot of excitement to the match. Second fall only had Virus showing his stuff before the rudos took over and did a nice Smackdown [TM]. They did a clip in the third fall but it still went a while with some nice nearfalls/near submissions. Horrible camerawork ALMOST botched the finish. Trueno took care of that by botching the finish himself. Still... really good match. Can't wait to see the tecnicos vs tecnicos six man tag from 10/22 TV.

More clips of the training session going on. Artillero is the worker of the group.

Ultimo Dragon/Negro Casas/Lizmark Jr. vs Tarzan Boy/Averno/Mephisto

- Awful. Predictable. Boring. I feel like I see this same match at least once every two weeks. Averno's mask was too cool for this awful match. Lizmark Jr. barely got in but I'm sure that was deliberate and for the betterment of the match.

Momentos had a nice Safari tope suicida to start. La Flecha did his double springboard flying elbowdrop which I liked but I thought to myself - "damn... that was the match where I saw Stuka Jr. do a moonsault over the ringpost, why couldn't they have aired that?" - and just to show that the Momentos editor and I are on the same page, the next spot was Stuka Jr.'s AWESOME moonsault over the ringpost! GET THIS GUY ON TV MORE!!! Other spots were from matches that happened the week before but I tried not to look since I don't have the show yet.

Apolo/MA2K/U2K/Pierroth vs Perrito/Damian 666/Halloween/Aguila

- AWESOME!!! Fucking heated brawl with creative stuff going on. Aguila looks so badass. First fall was really neat as Perrito did his double stomp but as his teammates covered Universo, the other guys ganged up on Perrito and pinned him. Refs counted each fall and they were the captains so they declared the fall a wash and just started the second fall. Second fall was nuts with guys diving all over the place left and right... Aguila's being the best obviously. I am sooooooooooooo happy to see him back in CMLL as he used to be one of my favorites. His strikes are still awful but he has great charisma and can still fly. Everyone was brawling outside after the dives(which were not done one by one which is a refreshing change) so they all got counted out. Another fall decides nothing. So the third fall is for all the marbles. Lots of nice back and forth stuff until Universo gets fed up and low blows Perrito. Everyone brawls afterwards. I loved this!

Mistico vs Atlantis

- MISTICO! *clap clap clap* MISTICO! *clap clap clap* ... was not what happened in this one. *L* Big time rudo crowd supported Atlantis and Mistico for the first time got boo'ed pretty badly. Don't get me wrong, half the crowd was still rooting for him but they got drowned out b/c it's mostly women/kids while all the loud guys wanted to be "cool" and cheer for Atlantis. It really seemed to effect Mistico as he blew 3 different moonsaults *HORRIBLY*. Two of them he landed on his chest and the crowd laughed. The third one was just a debacle... he went up top and lept off but flew sideways like Kidman on that Nitro where he landed on the ropes... so he flies off sideways and lands ON THE ROPES, then luckily bounces off and onto his feet. He seemed stunned so the next spot looked weird. Still... they had the crowd really into it with a smartly worked match. Atlantis still doesn't have me sold as a rudo. Seems more like a tecnico playing the rudo role hoping he can get cheered again and turn back. The first fall stuff with Atlantis abusing Quemonito was GOLD. Mistico's comeback was GOLD. The finish was GOLD. Second fall wasn't quite as golden. Third fall got lots of time and had a lot of drama but Mistico just kept blowing stuff and Atlantis has a weak offense... or rather, he has no moves... especially for a heel. Mistico did an awesome dive. Fans BOO'ED when Mistico unlaced Atlantis' mask so you could see the awful ending coming. Horrible ref bump(I think Mistico was out of position) and then Atlantis had his hood yanked off and Mistico rolled him up for the win. Crowd BOO'ED LIKE CRAZY. But when those idiots died down, all you could hear was 'Mistico' chants again so all was right with the world. Match was booked awful and nobody could have predicted the crowd's reactions. Not one of the better Mistico's singles matches but still good. I think Meltzer gave it ****(yes?) so I see we're back to overrating stuff when it's hot like AAA '94. ***1/4 at max if anything. Too many blown spots and awkward moments.

Great episode to pick up but make sure you get the full version b/c it's cool to go from the quiet Coliseo opener where it's workrate heavy to a midcard match getting the crowd hot to a heated brawl and finally the big main event everyone came to see.

CMLL needs more TV.

Rob

[Phil Schneider]

Tom and I just watched this tonight

9/10/05:

La Mascara/Satanico/Safari vs. Emilio Charles Jr./Sangre Azteca/Nitro

- Average opener. Nobody looked motivated... just a bland match with predictable finishes to each fall. Safari is weird as sometimes he looks really motivated and ready to tear shit up but other times he looks like a washed up guy who would rather be anywhere but in the ring.

I thought Safari looked good here, his tope suicida was beautiful. First fall kind of stunk but it picked up some near the end. Nothing much though

Torneo Cibernetico for CMLL Women's Title Match Finalists:
Battle Royal to determine 2 teams...
La Nazi/Amapola/Linda Star/Sahori/Medusa vs. Marcela/La India Sioux/Dark Angel/Princesa Sugey/Hiroka

- Pretty good I guess. I expected more dives and flying since it's a Torneo but they worked it like a bunch of singles matches. Marcela/Amapola are sooooooooooooo ahead of all the other women, it's not even funny. Amapola even busted out the Skayde Special! The finish made no sense as the referees let Dark Angel/Marcela double team La Nazi which in theory should have had them both disqualified or at least Dark Angel since she wasn't legal.

I really enjoyed this, even though it wasn't objectively good or anything. Who is Hiroka? She was awful. This really needed more Butch lesbian rudos, as you really only had La Nazi playing that role. A whole match of Bambi's doesn't work, you need some Peggy Lee Leather's. Marcela and Ampola were really great. Marcela is fast as hell and has a really cool suddeness to her moves. Rob did you watch the Marcela v. Dark Angel singles? Really fun sprint. Dark Angel didn't look good here, and her bowleggedness is really distracting

Negro Casas/Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr. vs. Shinsuke Nakamura/Hiroshi Tanahashi/Averno - Rematch

- Lots of angle, very little match. Japanese guys turned on Averno. Dos Jr. looked great here though and did this amazing top-rope enzuigiri on Averno in the third fall. Of note... the announcers had no clue which was Nakamura and which was Tanahashi until the third fall.

This was mostly a mess, although there was a couple of nice Nakamura v. Casas exchanges. Even in throw away matches like this Casas is clearly the best luchadore in the world.

Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Damian 666/Halloween vs. L.A. Park/Atlantis/Blue Panther

- This was where Atlantis began his official rudo turn. It was a good angle in theory but I don't think it came off too well. Parka looked amazing as usual. The third fall was really enjoyable but overall the match lacked something

I really dug this, Damien was nuts here as he took two huge bumps. Haloween looked a little off in parts, but I really dug the spot where Damien catches his baseball slide signature bump, but then Parka double stomps his back. Man alive were the fans booing Atlantis, I would turn rudo too. Fuck them

Hector Garza vs. Universo 2000

- Pretty much just a brawl. Couple of decent spots but really short and not as heated as I thought it'd be. Universo and Baby Richard got destroyed by Los Perros Del Mal after the match.

Universo looked good, but this had the feel of a Nitro main event, with 5 minutes of wrestling and an intermatibly long NWO run it.

Really bad show. When the women's match is the best match on a show in Mexico, you KNOW you are in trouble. Save your money folks.

Rob

I liked the Perros match and parts of the opener. Not as bad as Robert is making it out to be.

Phil

[Matthew]

Hey, I've been watching CMLL for three years or so now and have recently undergone one massive catch up of sorts. Watching nine months worth of TV in 12 weeks has been spectacular to say the least. Anyway, I saw the first week of August last night.

8/6/05:

Torneo to determine the 2nd finalist for the Mexican version of the G1 Climax:
8-man Battle Royal to determine teams...
Torneo Cibernetico: Volador Jr./Texano Jr./Leono/Nitro vs. Safari/Kronos/Neutron/Dr. X

- Dr. X is the first one out in the battle royale and he takes a SICK BUMP snapping his neck on the hard floor which of course gets replayed about 10 times. I liked the Cibernetico from the previous week more than this one. Everyone looked good but it didn't have as much heat or drama. Plus the eliminations made no sense with Volador Jr. and Neutron going out so early. It's a sad visual when Texano Jr./Nitro are in the ring while Volador Jr./Neutron are in the middle of walking to the back. Some really nice dives, Texano Jr. busted out *3*! He loses points for doing the same one twice. Kronos showed nothing. Leono looks like he will be really fun some day.

The bump Dr X took was horrifying, it completely deserved the Olimpico replay treatment. It was a pretty underwhelming Cibernetico overall, I thought Texano Jr looked pretty decent and there were some moments of excitement but it was nothing more than average.

Negro Casas/Heavy Metal/Felino vs. Ultimo Guerrero/Rey Bucanero/Olimpico

- Fucking awesome sprint! They didn't hold back at all! Multiple dives in each fall, some amazing counters, an insane Negro/Ultimo exchange and Felino tearing it up. YOU WANT THIS MATCH! If the third fall had been longer this would have been a trios MOTYC for me. I wish they had done a rematch.

I really enjoyed this too. Felino was so great; why isn't he at the level of his brothers? Heavy Metal isn't the best of tecnico's but I always enjoy watching him for some reason, the singles match with Halloween I especially liked. He blows a bunch of spots routinely but I'll always forgive him. Plus he has some killer entrance music, anyone know who it is? Ultimo was fantastic as always. He's had a very strong year up to August anyways. I'd like to see Bucanero involved more though, hopefully the upcoming Perros feud will allow that. I'm still shocked that Olimpico is able to walk let alone wrestle. He still looks mediocre compared to the other rudos though.

Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Hector Garza/Tarzan Boy vs. Pierroth/Halloween/Damian 666 - Halloween & Damian 666 turn on Pierroth!

- The turn was pretty awesome as Pierroth was bullying Perro Jr. in the corner and Damian/Halloween ripped their shirts off to reveal "Perros Del Mal" shirts. Perro Jr. told Pierroth to turn around and then... BOOM! PIERROTH GOT DESTROYED! Just an amazing angle and huge heat. I would rate it on equal level in terms of heat to the Gringos dressing up as Payasos angle. Fantastic stuff with Hijo Del Pierroth getting destroyed as well.

This was tremendous. Pierroth played his role to perfection and Hijo Del Pierroth's run was just as good because it was such a pathetic attempt to save his ally. I was delighted when La Familia De Tijuana returned to CMLL (and don't they have just the best entrance as well?) and when they joined up with Los Perros it was even better. It's a shame about Halloween's knee but I at least have a few more months of him to enjoy. But yeah, a million star segment. And I badly want a Perros T-Shirt.

[Anth]

I'm confused here.

"Hijo del Perro Aguayo/Hector Garza/Tarzan Boy vs. Pierroth/Halloween/Damian 666 - Halloween & Damian 666 turn on Pierroth!

- The turn was pretty awesome as Pierroth was bullying Perro Jr. in the corner and Damian/Halloween ripped their shirts off to reveal "Perros Del Mal" shirts. Perro Jr. told Pierroth to turn around and then... BOOM! PIERROTH GOT DESTROYED! Just an amazing angle and huge heat. I would rate it on equal level in terms of heat to the Gringos dressing up as Payasos angle. Fantastic stuff with Hijo Del Pierroth getting destroyed as well."

I thought Damien/Halloween were teaming with Perros Del Mal since May? You list this as being in August?

[thecubsfan]

http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.p...indpost&p=95352

[tomk]

CMLL TV 10/15/05:

Mistico vs Atlantis

-. The third one was just a debacle... he went up top and lept off but flew sideways like Kidman on that Nitro where he landed on the ropes... so he flies off sideways and lands ON THE ROPES, then luckily bounces off and onto his feet. He seemed stunned so the next spot looked weird. Still... they had the crowd really into it with a smartly worked match.

Atlantis still doesn't have me sold as a rudo. Seems more like a tecnico playing the rudo role hoping he can get cheered again and turn back. The first fall stuff with Atlantis abusing Quemonito was GOLD. Mistico's comeback was GOLD. The finish was GOLD. Second fall wasn't quite as golden.

Third fall got lots of time and had a lot of drama but Mistico just kept blowing stuff and Atlantis has a weak offense... or rather, he has no moves...


especially for a heel.


Rob

Ok so I still haven't seen the Guadalajara match but of theMistico singles matches, beyond the blow spots, I liked this one the best. Most of his matches I kind of dig till the third fall where heel hits his studf and Mistico no sells pops up and hits his and this had less of that then the other ones I've seen (well the Perrito one but I think I liked this more than that).

The blown spot that Robert describes was so horrendously blown that it looked like one of those ridiculous Hijo del Phantasma RVDish extra spring board, cartwheel spots from early ENESMA. As after Mistico lands on his feet he goes straight into an armdrag and you the viewer go " either thats the most horribly blown thing I've seen...or the jump from top rope to springboard your neck accross top rope into arm drag is the most preposterously stupid arm drag I've ever seen"

If I hadn't already seen Mistico do this finish before I would have liked the finish more.

The Atlantis has no offense claim confuses me.

In last fall he hits this musclebuster-suplex thing,a dive, does a neckbreaker with Mistico's legs hanging on top rope, and a absolutely nasty slingshotbrainbuster.

Essentially three big throws and a dive.

I can see there being some criticism of this match, I wouldn't give it 4 stars (I wouldn't give any of the Mistico singles matches 4 stars), but " [Atlantis] has no moves" doesn't make sense a criticism.

No, its not as good as the brawl on the same show. But well the Capos vs. Perros brawls are the best thing going.

[Robert]

The problem was aside from the slingshot suplex he did, the other moves were very tecnico-ish. I was hoping this would be Atlantis' big breakout rudo match where he shows everything he has learnt from 21 years of working with the best rudos in Mexico but he worked it as a tecnico pretending to be a rudo until the last few seconds. Maybe I'm just used to seeing the new breed of rudos working with Mistico like Perrito, Ultimo, Bucanero and Averno who bust out tons of great suplexes and throws.

While we're on the topic of Mistico singles matches, fair warning to all that the Mistico/Averno match from Guadalajara in October was a minor letdown. They didn't have a bad match but it definitely wasn't a great match and if you've seen the 1/30 match, this is basically the same thing only with less spots in a shorter time. Shockingly the Mistico/Santo vs Averno/Mephisto tag to set up the singles match was even worse.:( I can't believe those four guys had a BAD match!

Rob